James JONES Conundrum - Completed

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My grandfather had two brothers who died in the Great War.   Supposedly one was Henry/Harry and the other was James.

First I found Tom!!!   He died in 1917 and is on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site.   He's definitely the right person because his parents and wife are named.

On Monday I went to Kew and was pointed to a subscription site - sorry can't remember the name - and found Henry, who was killed in the Persian Gulf in 1916.

As for James, he isn't on the site at Kew, if he's on the CWGC site I can't identify him and there's only J.W. JONES on the Abington Square War Memorial and he isn't the right person.

What I I have been told about my James is that his wife was called Frances and he was killed when their son, Cyril, was 2 years old.   Cyril married Alice and their daughter was called Rita.

I can find a Cyril JONES born at Northampton in 1914, mother's surname SMITH and a Cyril E. JONES born at Northampton in 1916, Mother's surname JONES.   I have also found a marriage in Northampton in 1912 for James JONES and Helena M. GROOME.   None of these entries tally with eachother or the information I have, so what is the real story for James?

Please, can anyone throw any light on this?

Diana

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Hi Diana

Nice to hear from you here again. 

Can you give us a bit more background as to parents of
James and Thomas and Henry.

Also do you know which regiments they served with.

Was the death related to K.I.A. or later of Wounds for James.

Did you check the Overseas deaths whilst at Kew at all.

Any thing else you think might help us help you.

Sandy

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Hi Sandy

Likewise, nice to be in touch again too!

Tom and Harry were both in the Royal Garrison Artillery and so was their older brother David, who was wounded in the Great War like my grandfather, but I've no idea about James.   I think the RGA is a pretty good bet but then my grandfather was a career soldier and he joined the Northamptonshire regiment.

Their parents were David JONES and Tabitha Dorcas HAKES.   All the boys were born at Piddington and registered under HAKES (parents not married) but they all used JONES as their surname.   I have also looked for James under HAKES, just in case, but with no result - easy as a lot less people of that surname were killed!   In the early 1890s the family moved to Northampton and in 1901 the address was 82, Shelley Street.

I didn't look at overseas deaths while I was at Kew.   I had realised that the soldiers who died abroad didn't seem to have their deaths registered in this country but that one hadn't occurred to me.   All the same I'm not sure it would help much, as having gone through the entire list of J. JONES entries on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site I don't know how I would know which one, if any, was him.

Both my Uncle and a slightly more distant Aunt have told me that two brothers were killed in WWI, so I would be a bit sceptical about James if he hadn't been named and there wasn't the information about his wife and son.   I don't know what to make of it.

Regards,

Diana

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Hi Diana

Well he is hiding himself.

I looked at some street directories today and David and Tabitha
were at Shelley St still in 1914.

In the Absent Voters List Spring 1919 at that address it listed.

Jones Frank 8259 Sgt. Ins. Army Gymn Staff, Aldershot.

So must be records for him also somewhere.

Couldn't see a Frances in 1914 as she would not have got the vote.

I think it maybe a good idea to link to the Armed Forces WW1 so will
do it now as I try and think of some other way of finding him.

They are much more expert at it than I am.

Sandy

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Hi Sandy

You always strike me as being extremely expert!   I don't know where I would have got to with my earlier research if it hadn't been for your help.   It is very kind of you to take the trouble to try to locate James for me.

The absent voters list sounds really interesting.   I had no idea such a thing existed.   My grandfather married my grandmother in December 1919 and presumably after that he would have had an address of his own.   David and Tabitha lived at 82, Shelley Street until they died - 1926 for him and 1935 for her.

Do you know if there was a list of voters, absent or not, published every year?   Also, is the list at Northampton Record Office?   Even if I don't get there again until after Christmas it's something I can look up for myself now that I know about it.   I don't want you to spend too much time on what may turn out to be a wild goose chase.

Best regards as always,

Diana

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Hello Diana and Sandy,

I can't pick up anything on Geoff's Search Engine, putting in J Jones and adding Frances as supplementary information.

Phil

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Great minds think alike !!!!!!!  .... I did the same thing Phil !! 

Are you sure he was killed during the war Diana ?

What other family stories have you heard ? ... tell us and maybe somebody can pick something up from them !!

Annie 

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Soldiers Died In Gt War
gives Henry Jones 6873 SGT RGA Born Piddington Enlisted Northants is this one of the brothers?

Ady

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Dont want to throw spanners
Theres a BERTIE JAMES HAKES on SDGW
born enlisted and resident Northampton KIA 9/8/18
12TH City Of London Batt

Formerley 3rd Northants Regiment(23077)

Ady