Help with a puzzle - Armstrong / Daws

[Lazylover]

Hi Guys

I'm helping a friend out with her family searching. She's having a lot of difficulty with the parentage of her Gt Gt Grandfather.

The gent in question is Thomas George Armstrong.

He was born on 16 September 1882 in Melton Ross and registered as Thomas George Armstrong Daws.

(I don't have a baptism record - if anyone could find this I'd be grateful)

He's on the 1891 England Census living in Melton Ross with Thomas Armstrong (who is single) and he's listed as "son" along with Louisa Daws Armstrong listed as "dau". Ref is RG12/2626 Folio: 127 Page: 11

The family are on the 1881 England Census in Ulceby. Louisa is listed as Louisa Daws "dau" of Thomas Armstrong (who is single). Mary Daws (married)is listed as the Housekeeper. Ref is RG12/2626 Folio: RG11/3289 Folio: 35 Page: 5

In 1901 he's still living with Thomas Armstrong at Melton Ross. Thomas is listed as Thomas Daws and as being a Boarder. However Thomas Armstrong has taken a wife by now. The placement of Thomas Daws on the census suggests that he was a son.

In Quarter 3 of 1904 (Glanford Brigg) Thomas George Armstrong Daws has dropped the Daws and marries Harriett Elizabeth Philipson.

(Again I don't have the certificate or parish entry so this would be appriciated re: father's name)

Thomas George Armstrong dies on the 24 February 1971 in Scunthorpe. There is no hint of Daws in this registration.

It is my believe that Thomas Armstrong and Mary Daws were having an affair and Thomas George Armstrong Daws was a result of this. However I've nothing to prove or disprove this theory.

I'd appriciate any help or thoughts on this little problem!

Thanks in advance

lazyL

[Necromancer]

On the face of it, your statement is most likely correct ...

It is my believe that Thomas Armstrong and Mary Daws were having an affair and Thomas George Armstrong Daws was a result of this. However I've nothing to prove or disprove this theory

do you have Thomas and/or Louisa Birth Certs ?

Added: the 1881 shows 2 older kids surname Dawes  ... and Mary Dawes states she is married (Mr Armstrong doesnt) ... the gap in ages down to the little Louisa may well support your theory too ...

I wonder if a Cert of young George or John would reveal a Father named Daw[e]s ?

Births Mar 1875   
 
Daws  John William     Glanford B.  v7a p660

[Lazylover]

I don't but if Mary wanted to hide the father she would have said it was her husband on the certificate (i think).

I'll attempt to find out if my mate has any further inforamtion about the birth. She's looking for confirmation and i'd like to tell her i've tried every route / thought process before i break that news to her!

[Necromancer]

I added a bit above ...

looking at 1891, where he has a new housekeeper, but recognises the kids as his .... I'd say that with their original name registration and useage in the census, plus Thomas marrying as Armstrong - that you are correct.

Thomas regn indicates that she did the registration but 'acknowledged' the father by using his name in the registration (not uncommon).... whether the actual Cert shows a father can only be determined by getting it ....

Have you tried tracking back to see if Mary was actually married ? I wonder if thats her maiden name .... but again, only a child's Cert will confirm.

 

PS. Cant see her as Dawes in 1871 so far...

[Necromancer]

Could be Mary ?

Marriages Sep 1874   
 
DAWES  Jacob    Glanford B.  v7a p1091    to    GILLYETT  Mary     


In the 1881 census theres a Jacob Dawes c1851 lodging in the Caistor District, an Ag Lab (born Lewisham !) marital status looks like NK....

[Necromancer]

There is indeed a Mary Gillyett born Waddingham in the 1871 census, but she's only 9 - and our lass seen in the 1881, was born c1855 ....

In service with the Millsons (Licensed Victuallers) in Broughton

1871 - RG10/3429; Folio: 66; Page: 11

transcribed Gilliat - age 16, born Waddingham, a 'Domestic Servant'

[Necromancer]

1861 shows the lass, Mary Gillyett born c1855, in Waddingham ... (in Caistor District)
she's the grand-dau of an Edward Gillyett, an Ag Lab aged 65, born Brigg - she has a couple of siblings, and Edwards dau Ann is a Housekeeper, aged 26

RG9/2395; Folio: 28; Page: 12
Redbourn Lane

Edward Gillyett 65  Head Ag Lab Brigg
Ann Gillyett 26  dau Housekeeper
Mary Gillyett 6 grand dau Waddingham
Edward Gillyett 3  Gson Caistor Union
James Gillyett 2 Mo  do Waddingham

[Necromancer]

cant see her or the 2 kids from 1881 in the census 1891, nor a marriage or death that are obvious in Lincs ?


.... altho this might be the older lad John - a Farm servant of sorts in Notts ..

1891 - RG12/2638; Folio 68; Page 11; - North Wheatley ...


and George ? - middle initial agrees with 1881 census, altho age is a bit out ...

Deaths Sep 1889   
 
Dawes  George Edward  11  Caistor  v7a p405

[Lazylover]

Thanks for all your help.

I'm gonna have to break the bad news to her about the illigitmacy and see which direction she want's to take.

I'd buy the certificates myself but don't feel its my place to do so - so i'll be passing on all the GRO refs etc.