The other Benjamin BICKLE (COMPLETED)

[davidtreb]

There were two children christened Benjamin Bickle at Broadwood Widger, in September and December of 1785.  One of these was my ancestor, who married at St Giles in the Heath in 1819 - but which one?
Neither the names of the marriage witnesses, or the naming pattern of his children, give any answer to this question.
I have therefore been attempting to track down what became of the other Benjamin, in the hope that he might be easier to identify - but so far without success.  I have not succeeded in finding either a death or marriage record for him.
There is a Benjamin Bickle, with wife Charity and several children, at Stowford in the 1841 census, but his age there does not seem to fit.  In any case, I have not been able to find out where and when this couple married or died, or to find them in any later censuses.
If anyone can throw any light on this little mystery, I shall be very grateful.
Thank you.
David.

[coombs]

Hi David

What were the parents names of the two Benjamin Bickle's? I would think that they were related, ie cousins and the fathers decided on the same names.

Ben

[davidtreb]

Thanks for your very quick interest, Ben. 
The parents for the September christening were Abel and Elizabeth, and those for the December one were John and Frances.
David.

[coombs]

Hi

Have you found another Benjamin Bickle marriage in the area around the same time as your ancestor?

Ben

[krisesjoint]

Hi David,

Here is some research on the other Benjamin. - immigrated to Canada in 1844. 

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/i/c/Donna-L-Bickell/BOOK-0001/0004-0001.html

Benjamin and Charity married in Thrushelton in 1820.

Their firstborn was John also, so both Benjamin's named their firstborns John  - No Abel in either line - I wonder how they have decided which Benjamin is theirs.  They do have a marriage witness John Bickle. To your knowledge is there a John among the siblings of either of these Benjamins?

There is a marriage listed on the IGI for Abel BECCLE and Elizabeth BOND 29 Apr 1773 Ashwater.

1851 they are in
Subdistrict 289,291 Page 23
RollC_11748
Harvey and Smith
Peterborough County
Ontario

Benjamin BICKEL 71 b England WM (Wesleyan Methodist) Farmer
Charity BICKEL 53 b England WM
Mary BICKEL 14 b England WM

next door

Wm BICKEL  28 b England WM Farmer
Anne BICKEL 21 b U Canada WM
William Henry BICKEL 2 b Canada WM

Charity BECKELL appears to still be in Smith in 1871 aged 73 Religion Bible Christian C-9986 - C-9987 Page 8

Cheers Kris 

[davidtreb]

Thank you, Ben and Kris, for your interest.  To answer Ben's question first - No, in the very limited online resources available for Devon, i have failed to find either a death or a marriage for the other Benjamin until now.  However, you will see that Kris has now been able to fill that gap for me.
For which, Kris, I am very grateful.  I'm afraid that the possibility of emigration had not occurred to me.  It's hardly surprising that I had failed to find them in the UK 1851 census, is it?
A marriage witness is of course what I was hoping to find, though I might have wished for a less common name than John!   Abel and Elizabeth had children christened at Broadwood Widger every two years from 1775 to 1785, but there was no John among these.
The Benjamin who was born to John and Frances did on however have an older brother John, christened in 1773.  This would mean that he was in his late 40s when Benjamin and Charity married.  On the other hand, it looks possible that he may have been the only surviving brother.  He had I think married Grace Cory at St Stephen by Launceston in 1798, and they were still producing a family at Broadwood in 1816.
So far as this is a pointer, it suggests that the Benjamin who went to Canada might not have been the son of Abel.  I think perhaps that my next move might be to try to contact the authors of the Canadian website, and ask if they have any evidence for their conclusion.
Meanwhile, thank you again for the trouble you have taken.
Regards,        David.

[coombs]

Hi

I am confident that Abel and John Bickle were brothers. This means that it will be easier to find their parents. It is just looking for any Abel Bickles who had a brother John.

I would think that the Benjamin son of John is more likely to be the one who wed Charity.

Ben

[gallienus]

You mention that there is no baptism of John, son of Abel Bickle, in the Broadwoodwidger parish register.  I have just obtained a copy of the will of Able Bickle, of Broadwoodwidger, who died in 1816.  His will mentions his son John Bickle as well as his grandson John Bickle (son of his son John Bickle).
It also mentions his son Benjamin Bickle, but with no further information that would help you in your quest for the "right" Benjamin Bickle.

My own interest in the Broadwoodwidger Bickels is to determine what relationship, if any, Philip Bickel (known to be related to the family of my interest--that of Thomas ROCKEY) has to them.

David Langenberg
Newark, DE, USA

[Zacktyr]

For Gallienus and others,

I realize this thread is 10 years old and the last post by Gallienus was 5 years ago, however, I can add that Philip Bickle christened 5 February 1764 at Northlew, the son of Tristram Bickle and Susanna Doble was the nephew of Abel Bickle.  Additionally, this same Philip BICKLE is the 4th great grand uncle of myself.  All of our common ancestors being John Bickle and Wilmot [maiden surname unknown].  I descend through Tristram Bickle and Susanna Doble, as well.  Tristram Bickle was the brother of Abel Bickle.

The connection to the surname ROCKEY that I am most familiar with is that of the marriage of William WOOLDRIDGE to Sarah ROCKEY.  Their son, John Rockey Wooldridge is the great-grandson of Tristram BICKLE who married Gertrude HORWELL.  This Tristram Bickle was the father of John Bickle who married Wilmot and was also the grandfather of the originally noted Able and Benjamin Bickle, John who married Wilmot being another brother.

I also have very recently found perhaps a few more references to Rockey women marrying into the Wooldridge line.  But, I'm not certain as to the specifics just yet as I am not certain that I haven't simply managed to stumble over the same couple but in different sources.