Lander family of Govan

[DeanneandTony]

Looking for any information on the family of James and Alice Lander who lived in Maryhill, Glasgow and Govan late 1800's.

[daval57]

Hi,
Just while I'm waiting to get out to take those photos! 
Dave

1841 census : Dalmuir, Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire

James Lander 60 drawer bridge raper Dunbartonshire
James 15 che Dunbartonshire
Isabella 40 Dunbartonshire
John Fisher 30 paper m

1851 census : 140 Garscube Rd, Glasgow

James Lander 26 Fireman in chemical work* Old Kilpatrick
Margaret 23 wife Old Kilpatrick
Isabella 3 months Glasgow

1861 census : 124 1/2 Sawfield Place, Glasgow

James Lander 36 Foreman Chemical work* Old Kilpatrick
Margret 33 wife Old Kilpatrick
Margret S 4 Glasgow
John Cairney 20 lodger

1871 census : Canal lock No. 22, Maryhill

James Lander 46 lock keeper Old Kilpatrick
Margaret 43 wife Old Kilpatrick
Margaret 10 paper maker Glasgow
James 8 Glasgow
Alice 7 Glasgow  **
Robert 3 Old Kilpatrick

1881 census : lock 21, Maryhill***

James Lander 57 lock keeper Old Kilpatrick
Margaret 54 wife Old Kilpatrick
James 18 lab. in sawmill Glasgow
Alexander 16 assistant in paper mill Glasgow **
Robert 13 rivet boy in boatyard Old Kilpatrick
John Lander 8 scholar Maryhill, Glasgow

1891 census : Canal House lock No. 21, Maryhill***

James Lander 67 Lock keeper
Margaret Lander 64 wife
John Lander 18 son iron moulder Glasgow

Can't find either parent on 1901 census. 

From IGI

James Lander b 24 June 1855 Milton, Glasgow
Parents : James Lander / Margaret Mulholland


Here's the clever bit - I'm so happy with this.    No trace of marriage between James Lander and Margaret Mulholland.  I eventually found them!

On IGI

20 Sept 1850 Barony Glasgow : James Lauder m Margaret Mulholland ****


*as for occupation, one of these looks like a typo. 
** on both census, this child is described as son - I think 'Alice' is a typo, perhaps Alex?
***See image at bottom of page.
****You'll be able to get the original document for this from ScotlandsPeople (SP) - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (see my next post re costs)


Promise, you'll like all of these! 
Links of interest: 
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05is/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05in/
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05io/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ip/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05iq/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ir/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ig/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ih/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ii/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ij/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ik/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05il/   
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/05im/   

[daval57]

From SP, there is no death for a Margaret Lander.
However, if you search for Margaret Lauder, maiden name Mulholland, born 1828 (see image), I'm pretty sure this will be her.

The same applies to James, nothing under Lander.
If you use Lauder, there is only 1 appropriate result.  Use 1824 as birth year - birth year can be out depending whether person died before or after birthday or the person that registers death is unsure of exact age.

If I'm right, and these are the correct records, it'll give you both sets of parents, helping you to get a further generation back.

I wouldn't normally recommend being as specific as this with searches but in this case, I've narrowed it down for you.

SP credits cost 6GBP for 30 credits.
It will cost you 18 credits to obtain these 2 documents and the marriage mentioned in previous post.

If you go to AncestralScotland* and register, you'll get an email giving you a voucher for 10 free credits.
* http://www.ancestralscotland.com/signup/register/
If both of you register using different email addresses, you'll both get a voucher, enough to get all 3 records for nothing!

Only one of you needs to register on SP - you can input both vouchers, one after the other on the same account.  I've checked directly with ScotlandsPeople that it is OK to do this and they replied saying yes.

I hope all this is clear but let me know if you want me to clarify.

Dave

[daval57]

Something I wrote down but forgot to mention in previous post.

If you do as I've suggested below, you will have 2 credits left.

You could use 1 to search for every Lander birth in Scotland from 1553 to 1854, there are only 25.  The 1 credit will give you the full list of all 25 of them, including date of birth, forename, parents names, sex, parish and county.  A useful index to help you take the line further back.

Dave

[DeanneandTony]

Below is what we have received from someone else previously but I'm not really convinced that they haven't just drawn a long bow.

The only thing I really do know that is correct is this:
James LANDER (father, James LANDER) married Alice SMITH (father, George SMITH) in India in 1877

Alice Catherine LANDER born 13 April 1879; India Office Ecclesiastical Returns, Bengal Presidency; Parents James LANDER and Alice

Unfortunately neither of the certificates tells you much.

I can find no death for James but know that by the time his son was married he was dead.  There is a death certificate for Alice.
I have also found Alice living with her mother (1901) Census and four children in Maryhill.  There are two daughters who were previously unknown to us and according to the Census they were born in Ireland.


Marriage: James LAUDER [sic] married Catherine ROY in Glasgow on 17/12/1837

IGI:
Catharine ROY
 Birth:  19 MAR 1811   
 Christening:  11 APR 1811   Dumbarton, Dunbarton, Scotland
Father: Alexander ROY
Mother: Catharine WILSON

1841 Scottish Census
Dwelling: Huntingdon Vale, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

LANDER, James; Age 30; C C; Born Scotland
LANDER, Catherine; Age 25; Born Scotland
LANDER, James; Age 1; Born Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCDONALD, Euphemia; Age 25; Female Servant; Born Scotland

1851 Scottish Census
Dwelling: 5 Ronald Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

LANDER, James; Head; Age 38; Cashier In Public Work; Born Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire
LANDER, Catharine; Wife; Age 35; Born Born Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire
LANDER, James; Son; Age 10; Scholar; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Fanny; Daughter; Age 6; Scholar; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Jane; Daughter; Age 5; Scholar; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Elizabeth; Daughter; Age 1; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
MCLEAN, Sophia; Servant; Age 20; House Servant; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
STIRLING, Margaret; Servant; Age 20; House Servant; Born St William, Inverness

1861 Scottish Census
Dwelling: Laurel Street, Partick, Lanarkshire, Scotland

LANDER, James; Head; Age 52; Warehouseman Employing 7 Storemen; Born Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire
LANDER, Catherine; Wife; Age 50; Born Born Dumbarton, Dumbartonshire
LANDER, James; Son; Age 20; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Fanny; Daughter; Age 16; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Jane; Daughter; Age 15; Scholar; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Elizabeth; Daughter; Age 11; Scholar; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Janet; Daughter; Age 8; Scholar; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
LANDER, Catherine; Age 4; Born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
CALDWELL, Mary; Servant; Age 18; Domestic Servant; Born Tarbert, Argyllshire

James LANDER (father, James LANDER) married Alice SMITH (father, George SMITH) in India in 1877

Alice Catherine LANDER born 13 April 1879; India Office Ecclesiastical Returns, Bengal Presidency; Parents James LANDER and Alice

[daval57]

Hi again,
Just going over some old posts I had kept a note of.
Are you any further on with this?
Did you get the records I suggested in reply #2?

Dave