Marriage details Hannah (born ca 1786) of Evershot, Dorest

[Palmer1976]

Richard PALMER a widower married Hannah DO(U/N)CH on 28 Dec 1823 as per http://www.opcdorset.com/MelburyOsmondFiles/MelburyOsmondMarriages.htm
BUT

Richard Palmer married Hannah Dench on 28 DEC 1823 Melbury-Bubb, , Dorset, England as per http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

Please could someone advise which is correct?

Thanks Terence

[nanny jan]

Hi,

The details on the OPC site are transcriptions from the parish registers and some can be very difficult to read;  I've worked on some myself. 

The IGI one is also an extracted record from the same register; just 2 interpretations of Hannah's surname.


Perhaps the opc for Melbury Osmond can advise you.


Nanny Jan

[Richard Knott]

Welcome to Rootschat; at that time Douch was a more common name in Dorset.

You are lucky. There is an 1801 census for Melbury Osmond, and Hannah Douch is listed as a single servant working for Richard Palmer, a baker, and his wife Elizabeth:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/hardwick/mo1801census.html

The 1851 census states that Hannah was born in Evershot. Unfortunately the IGI does not cover Evershot births after 1717, but there are a number of Douche births before that and there is a marriage of a William Douche in Evershot in 1749.

Richard

[jendor]

It's all to do with the churches & that m. bubb & M. Osmund are so close, it's definately Melbury Osmund, why rootsweb have them under Bubb is probably because of that... they are transcribed from exactly the same film! (unless they are patron submitted that is).

I can do the Evershot records as I have a whole pile of them ready to go online...

DOUCH, 5 Nov 1722   , John so John and Hannah
DOUTCH, 25 Nov 1728, Margaret do John and Hannah
DOUCH, 1 Nov 1732   John so John and Hannah
DOUCH, 5 Dec 1750   Hannah do William and Elizabeth
DOUCH, 4 Dec 1763   George so William nd Elizabeth
DOUCH, 14 Sep 1786, Hannah do George and Mary – born 7 September

There are no more Douch or similar name baptisms after 1786

Burials...
DOUCH, 24 Mar 1723, John, so John and Hannah
DOUTCH, 7 Dec 1729, Margaret
DOUCH, 11 Sep 1745, Hannah, wo John
DOUCH, 25 May 1755, John
DOUCH, 2 Jun 1782   William
DOUCH, 14 Jan 1787, George, 23

Marriages
1714, 10 Jun, John LARCOM and Bridget DOUCH
1748, 21 Feb, Thomas EDWARDS and Esther DOUCH
1749, 22 Nov, William DOUCH and Elizabeth WEBBER
1771 10 Oct, John CHANT and Ann DOUCH, W: James Roberts and Paul White
1789 4 Oct, John CHUBB and Mary DOUCH, W: John Edwards and Thomas Brett

Hope that helps
Jen
Coordinator - OPC Dorset

[Richard Knott]

The entry for Hannah in 1786 fits well with the 1851 census where she gives her age as 64 (bc1787).
Her father clearly died soon after Hannah was born and her mother re-married, but both Hannah's parents and grandparents are clear from the records.

Jen: the 1801 census would be a good thing to add to the Melbury Osmond site if you are in contact with the other Dorset OPCs.

Richard

[jendor]

Hi Richard

Definately in contact with them, mind over Christmas they must have thought I'd done a runner!!!

I can't find anything about an 1801 census on A2A but its probably not made it to the online catalogue, I can't get to dorchester till february so will get someone else to check it out for me. I'd like to check out the pre 1841 census returns, we have a couple, 1801 Stur Newton, I did Witchurch Canonicorum & all the Corfe Castle ones need doing.

Jen

[Palmer1976]

Thanks so much for the information. This helps greatly.  SO I can deduce the following:

Richard Palmer born ca (17xx) married Elizabeth (Betty) Guppy on 20 Jan 1794 in Melbury Osmond. Betty Guppy died on the 2 Mar 1822.
Hannah Douch was 14 Sep 1786 to George and Mary (nee Higdon) Douch. She worked as a servant for Richard Palmer. In +/- 1804, Hannah had a son George Hannason Palmer, the Birth information on www.familysearch.org, lists the birth as 1804, George Hannason Palmer, mother Hannah of Evershort, Dorset. She then married Richard Palmer on  28 Dec 1823 in Melbury Osmond.

What I’m trying to do is the following is to trace my Palmer family and was George Hannason Palmer the son of Richard Palmer, I can only presume that Richard was born in Dorset:
I’m looking for Richards Parents as well.
Richard Palmer:
    Born:
    Married:  20 Jan 1794, Elizabeth (Betty) Guppy (widowed)
    Married:  28 Dec 1823, Hannah Douch
    Died:

George Hannason Palmer
    Born: 1804 to Hannah of Evershot, Dorest, England
    Married:  19 May  1829 Mary Hodges, Cerne Abbas, Dorset, England
    Died:

Richard Palmer son of George:
    Born: 18 Dec  1838 to George and Mary Palmer, Melbury Osmond, Dorset, England
    Married: 8 Jul  1861, Eliza Jane Hunt, Westchallow, Huntingdon, England
    Died: 20 Oct  1898, Umtata, Cape Of Good Hope, South Africa
Martha Palmer daughter of George:
    Born: 21 Apr 1833 to George and Mary Palmer, Melbury Osmond, Dorset, England
    Married:
    Died:



Douch information:
Hannah’s father was George Douch:
    Born: DOUCH, 4 Dec 1763 George son William and Elizabeth
    Married: 22 Nov  1784, Halstock, Dorest, England
    Died: DOUCH, 14 Jan 1787, George, 23

George’s Father was William Douch:
    Born:
    Married:  1749, 22 Nov, William DOUCH and Elizabeth WEBBER
    Died: DOUCH, 2 Jun 1782 William

[nanny jan]

Hi,

The details regarding George Palmer's birth (www.familysearch.org) are submitted, not taken from a Parish Register, and so should be treated with caution.  They are vague; just a birth year given, and should not be relied on until parish registers can confirm the event.

Unfortunately there are no details given of the submitter.


Nanny Jan

[jendor]

Mmmm not so sure about George being named Palmer at birth, I mean it's possible but!!! There is a George Douch born to Hannah Douch baptised 25th December 1804 in Hermitage which is only 3  miles away from Mebury Osmund and Evershot (That's in both the BT's and PR's) I reckon there's a chance there will be something in the removal orders/settlement certificates or bastardy orders for Hermitage/Evershot or Melbury Osmund.

There's also a marriage license at the History Centre... Richard Palmer widower of Melbury Osmund to Hannah Douch of Melbury Osmund, PE/MBO/IN 1/2/3 24 Dec 1823 (MIC/R/1606)

In 1851 Hannah is listed as age 64 and a widow so Richard died before 1851 and possibly 1841.
There is a Richard Palmer listed on the GRO for 1838 in the Beaminster District could well be him, if he's not buried in Melbury Osmund, was he elsewhere when he died or was he buried in his home parish? If he married in 1794 that puts his birth about 1776 +/-?

Hannah was buried in Melbury Osmund...
Melbury Osmond Parish Church, #92, Large Upright Stone/S/Curb, In loving memory of Hannah PALMER who died February 1873 aged 86 years

Martha... on the 1861 for M. Osmund is...
Hannah Palmer, Head, widow, 74, baker, born Evershot
/
Thomas Watts, Head, Mar, 30, Grocer, born Frome St Quintin
Martha Hodges Watts, Wife, Mar, 27, grocers wife, born Melbury Osmund
Mary Martha Watts, Daur, 2, born Melbury Osmund

There is a marriage on freeBMD for Thomas Watts, Beaminster, AMJ, 1858 5a/755 but there are two males and only one female, not Martha but cross checking with the original GRO images she's not listed, it makes sense from the census that this is the right Martha so perhaps she was missed out on the GRO index???

Jen