KNIGHT to Australia

[crow41]

Has any one details of the parentage of Rose Matilda Knight b 1864 Sandhurst Geelong Victoria.

Details we have is that her father was Thomas Knight and mother was Margaret Jones. They were married in 1854 Victoria.

When they came to Victoria, what ship and where they were born  in the UK, parents etc., of both, is unknown.

I have gained info of two brothers John Knight (18) and Thomas Knight (20) coming to Victoria aboard "Merlin" 1852,  but have no connection details to Margaret Jones or the brothers parentage.

Thanks in anticipation,
Barry

I was under impression Sandhurst was Catholic Parish near Geelong. Correction to Bendigo is noted. Thanks

[terra]

Passenger records to Vic

http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide050/PROVguide050.jsp
Scroll down the page to the indexes

There are numerous births to Thomas KNIGHT and Mary JONES at Sandhurst, which it the former name for Bendigo, not Geelong, but not a Rose Matilda. Perhaps her birth wasn't registered.

The purchase of the 1854 marriage cert [reg 1718] should give you the bride and groom's places of birth and the names of their parents. 
 
terra

[sarra]

Hi Barry,

I was helping another "Chatter" sometime last year - I know of the John Knight and Thomas Knight. I think I have a copy of the manifest for the "Merlin" - if you don't have the details  from it - I will see if I can dig it up.

Also I may have the Death Certificate for Thomas Knight - from memory I don't think the children were named on it.

As it turned out - this Thomas Knight was not the one the other "Chatter" was connected to.

Let me know if you would like me to dig up this information for you.?

Sarra

[crow41]

Thanks Sarra,

It would be great if you do that for me. It may just be the detail I need for further follow up on Thomas Knight & family, in UK.

Terra is also providing valuable input on this family.

Point of interest; Rose Matilda Knight (my g/gmother), was buried under the name of Forbes, her second husband, at Mont Park Vict.1942.
 She was earlier married to Alexander Ferguson ( my g/Gfather) in 1885, they divorced in 1912.

Barry

[regross]

Hello,

from many threads in rootschat it appears that there may be a missing batch or two fo birth registrations in central victoria around this time.

Another possibility to consider is that she was adopted or fostered.

My  great grandparents were supposed to have had Annie in the year of their marriage  1894, then 3 more children. There was absolutely no trace of her. Then I tracked back from her death under the name of her secoond husband, through both marriages to find out that she had been fostered by the couple  when her mother died in childbirth.  Easy once I knew the secret!!! (my uncle knew but would not tell until confronted with the direct question after I had found out.)

She had 6 siblings from her mother's two different marriages. While I can find them all in the records I don't know who cared for them. The father died 5 years later!!!

Keep on looking

Robyn in Wodonga

[regross]

Hi again,
 I noted that th e1854 marriage has MAary Jones as Margaret Jones.Have you the original marriage of Margaret Jones to Thomas Knight?

I just had a look at NSW and there was a Matilda JONES born to John & Margaret Jones in 1852 (plus three other children all before 1854 plus the death of three John Jones in 1854)

Just exploring ideas and concepts,

good luck

Robyn in Wodonga

[sarra]

I see all you Chatters have being busy while I was trying to type up the information I have for the Knight brothers. I had it all finished and I thought I had posted it and grrrrrrrrrrr it disappeared - my second attempt.

Looking at the Manifest for the 'Merlin" I would say that Thomas & Jonathan Knight were related - possibly brothers.
Thomas Knight's occupation was listed as - grocer.
Jonathan Knight's - husbandman.

I don't have the Death Certificate for Thomas Knight (sorry) it is for Jonathan Knight (brother)?.
Jonathan's wife is recorded as Margaret Jones on this certificate. I know from my research that Jonathan Knight married a Harriet Talbot (Vic BMD index) - however her name is recorded as Harriet JONES - on some of the childrens' birth registrations. I haven't tried to solve this mystery.

You can find Thomas & Jonathan Knight on the FamilySearch.org - parents are Richard Knight and Ann. I did find that Ann's maiden name was Porter. Also you can find Richard Knight and his family on the UK Census.

Sorry this is not helping with the parentage of  Rose Matilda Knight.


Sarra

[crow41]

Thanks again Sarra,

I will follow up on your info and reply to same.
There seems to be many mistakes in how the registration of children's parentage in 1800's early 1900's. Some deliberate maybe?

What was date of death of John Knight on your certificate?

Barry

Robyn,Thanks also for your interest,

Who is the Annie born 1894, you refer to above. Is she a Knight or a Ferguson maybe?

As far as I have researched, there is no daughter Annie to Alexander Ferguson and Rose Matilda Knight in 1894.
Also there was no children it seems from Rose's second marriage to  William Forbes as she was 50+ in 1917.

Do you mean there was an Annie born in 1854 to Thomas and Margaret?  (edit 3/2/09)
A connection somewhere maybe possible,
Barry

[sarra]

Barry,

Date of death was 26 November 1867. There was an Inquest into his death.

If you would like a copy of the Death Certificate - send me a PM with an email address.

I know what you mean regarding mistakes on Birth registrations. I found one where the grandmother was registered as the Mother of her son's child.

Sarra