Hi Geoff,
I can't tell you how glad I am to hear from you; and have your help
I had become so bogged down in it all, that I obviously missed this vital bit of information! Thank you
Just to make sure that there
wasn't a tailor, named George Johnson/Johnston, around at the time, I've checked the Cumberland directories from 1860s to 1890s - nothing, I'm afraid, cundy.
I see the family chops and changes the way it spells its' name - sometimes Moffat, and Moffit (I suppose that explains the info on freebmd for the marriage in Sep qtr 1860).
Geoff, you are right about Elizabeth's father's name - in fact, William And Elizabeth have a younger brother, Robert, living with them on one of the census.
For the record, Cundy, Elizabeth had the following siblings:
William bp 3 Aug 1834
John bp 16 Jul 1837
Robert and Mary Ann bp 15 Sep 1839 (
may be twins - does not say)
Elizabeth bp 2 May 1841
Margaret bp 1 Jan 1843
Robert bp 25 Aug 1844
Parents: Robert and Mary
* It looks as if there may be a Jane born 1851, too - see family on 1871 census.
Batch: C048801
There is a George Johnson, born Scaleby bp 25 Apr 1815 (much older than Elizabeth) - he is the only one on the parish register; born to Anthony and Lucy. But, George could, of course, been born elsewhere.
I've looked through from about 1860 to 1911 for a suitable death of George Johnson, one which meets with either 1815 birth or a date nearer Elizabeth's - but nothing that jumps out (BUT please cjheck to see what YOU think).
Also, tried George Johnston - there is one which gives a baptism/birth date of 1815 in Sep 1866 qtr in Carlisle, + few others, including another one in the Carlisle district Jun 1876 (age 35 - which gives a birth of 1841 - similar ot Elizabeth's). But, they need carefully going through, and checking out, against census and baptism information, cundy.
If it was me I would buy that marriage certificate Geoff found in 1860 - it may save a lot of work!
Only other finding is a registration (at least I hope it is!) for the birth of Mary Ann Johnson. Couldn't find it registered in 1862, as baptism could indicate (though there are one or two round that date 1860- 1863, for Mary Mary Ann Johnston, so take a look at those).
This is the only Longtown one:
Births Sep 1860
JOHNSON Mary Ann Longtown 10b 374.
Mary Ann seems to be the only baptism on the IGI that I can see, for Elizabeth's children - so Geoff may well be right, with his theory. I thinking your starting point has to be that marriage certificate, cundy.
I bet you're glad Geoff came on board - I know I am! Thank you so much, Geoff
Paulene
