Joseph Smith DOB 1815

[susandavey]

Hi All!

I need help 

My Grandfather is almost unknown but i know somewhere some how some-one knows something! So i turn to rootschat!

Below is all of the information we have on him:

Name: Joseph Smith
DOB: 1815
DOD: 1892
Married: Mary Sneyda in 1853 at sutton forest NSW,
She was a free immigrant from dublin

We do not know where he came to Australia from but most likely England?

On his marriage certificate it says

Bachelor I.OL

We dont know who his parents are but they had a bus load of children:

John Thomas Smith 1858
Elizabeth Smith 1867
Henry C Smith 1865
Maria Smith 1860
Joseph Smith 1856
Jane Smith 1863

And 2 other possibilities

All Children were Born in Berrima, NSW Australia.

If there is anymore information i can get regarding this it would be amazing. Im just at my wits end on where else to find Joseph Smiths parents DOB etc

All help will be sooo muchly appreciated

[daval57]

Why England as a probable birth place?
What's your source of birth date?
Have you considered Ireland or Scotland?

Dave

[susandavey]

Hi Dave,

Thanks so much for that,

On his sons birth certificate it says he was 43 in 1858 and born in England.
One of my friends said that the I.O.L was a typo and was T.O.L standing for Ticket Of Leave which must mean he was a convict coming in from another country?

On closer inspection of the original certificate of marriage on the FISH i saw it was actually a I.O.L so now im searching for the meaning of this abbreviation.

[Lady Di]

Hi

Do you have Joseph's death certificate (or a transcription of it) as this should say how long he'd been in NSW? His death cert may also show parents names (if known  by the informant) It should also list all his children which may help with the two children that you have as "possibles".

Did he die at Marrickville, Broken Hill or Young? I noticed that two out of the 3 deaths for a Joseph Smith in 1892 failed to provide parental information  - spose one of those is yours   

Does his marriage cert say who his parents were?

Do any of his children have a distinctive second name that may help in searching for earlier generations?

Have you checked the Colonial Secretaries Index to see if he was a recorded as a convict?

Good luck (and by the way, WELCOME to RootsChat  )

Di

[daval57]

That's interesting Susan,
I've never heard of "Ticket of leave".  Now tucked in the back of my mind for future reference.

Before my last post, I had a quick search on SP, 1812 to 1818, there are 20 Joseph Smith's, 2 in '15, 3 in '14 and 3 in '16.

Are there any middle names?  What are common names in the family at the time?

Dave

Added.... Di, you put me to shame!  I should have welcomed Susan too.  How remiss!
Hi Susan.  You'll love this forum.
D

[susandavey]

Hi

Do you have Joseph's death certificate (or a transcription of it) as this should say how long he'd been in NSW? His death cert may also show parents names (if known  by the informant) It should also list all his children which may help with the two children that you have as "possibles". We have ordered his death certificate and are waiting for it to arrive

Did he die at Marrickville, Broken Hill or Young? I noticed that two out of the 3 deaths for a Joseph Smith in 1892 failed to provide parental information  - spose one of those is yours    He Died at Marrickville

Does his marriage cert say who his parents were? NOPE

Do any of his children have a distinctive second name that may help in searching for earlier generations?

John Thomas Smith 1858
Henry Charles Smith 1865

Have you checked the Colonial Secretaries Index to see if he was a recorded as a convict? no where do i find that

Good luck (and by the way, WELCOME to RootsChat  )

Di

[susandavey]

A ticket of leave is for convict who come into australia and they have to be renewed every year!

So to be so blonde but what is the Sp??

There is no middle name for him we do know that he was a shoe maker the names that were popular is joseph, John and Thomas

[Lady Di]

Hopefully the death cert will arrive soon - with LOTS of extra information (fingers crossed)

By the way, have you ordered the cert via a transcription agent as they are a lot cheaper than buying direct from NSW BMD.

Mr Smith is certainly not helping us find him, is he? Children all have "normal names", no details on his marriage cert and he's probably not on the Colonial Sec. Index as that only goes up to 1825. Here's the link anyway:
www.records.nsw.gov.au/

There are lots of interesting items of infomation at the State Library. It may be beneficial to order a Library card and then you have access to a lot more records on their web site. (Lib card is Free)

I'd suggest that this thread be moved to the Australian board as a first step as the Aussies on there have access to a lot of information and I'm sure they will be more than willing to help.

I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful.

Di

PS "Sp", that Dave was referring to, is "Scotland's People". A web site that has all the Births, Marriages and Death records for Scotland.

[daval57]

 
Despite my black hair, I'm the one that was being blonde!  No idea what TOL was.

SP is ScotlandsPeople.   http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

A pay per view site - very reasonable.

Go here* first to give it a try for free.  Don't be too specific with your search.  1 credit gives you up to 25 possible matches.

* http://www.rootschat.com/links/05kg/