Please explain, what "Of that Ilk"?

[Rena]

Yes we live in a loverly mixxed up mad world don't we Rena.

I note in your list of names for England you have "WARD"
we do to, in Bitton area, at least was married there.

Hi again flogged,
The WARD family from Newcastle that I'm following originated in Suffolk.   I'd noticed from early records that the name seemed to be concentrated along the seaboard and when I saw the meaning of the surname there's no wonder.....

<< Definition: 1) An occupational name for a "guard or watchman," from Old English "weard" = guard. 2) A geographical name for a person who lived near a guardhouse or fortress.

Surname Origin: English

Alternate Surname Spellings: WARDE, WARDMAN, WORDMAN, WARDS >>

.... here endeth this lesson 

Cheers,
Rena

[daval57]

While RC was down, I took a look at this site:

http://www.firstfoot.com/php/glossary/phpglossar_0.8/index.php?letter=a

You come up with the greatest links Townie,
If you had a life, we'd all be lost!
 

[Gadget]

I work from home, Dave - you know - me art and me writing and ..............................

However, if I get any more of  these townie bugs, I shall become a Neep 


PS - and I'm an OAP 
PPS - I'm watching the Rugby 

[flogged]

Thankyou Rena, a lesson of history I shall gag at forever, (not)
we are stuck in Bitton 1777 with Jane Ward her father a possible Samuel Ward, but that's it, trying for 20 yrs plus and about 20 of us in a group doing the same tree.

[Fergie38]

I kid you not. Here is a couple of lines from an email that was sent to me a few hours ago.

  PS thanks fur the foties yesentmi takin in the auld graveyerd whitwury dain
up there enywie.
 Hiv a guid night ootthenight. seeyiz soon, awrabest.

[Rena]

Thankyou Rena, a lesson of history I shall gag at forever, (not)
we are stuck in Bitton 1777 with Jane Ward her father a possible Samuel Ward, but that's it, trying for 20 yrs plus and about 20 of us in a group doing the same tree.

Hard luck flogged,
I've got a coachman who did a disappearing act.  I know he worked for a large landowner but I have no idea which estate in which county he was born on.

On the off chance Jane's father was a CofE preacher have you checked out the online database?   I can't access the website today but I have been on it a couple of times. 

The Clergy of the Church of England Database 1540-1835 (CCEd) Website. Searchable Records of clerical careers from 50 archives in England ...
www.theclergydatabase.org.uk

Cheers,
Rena

[flogged]

Hi Rena, we are way downunder, but several of our group are in England and one very good researcher in Canada, they are constantly going to offices looking for clues, but I refer to the "Cocks Road Gang" have you heard of it, several members of the family were involved with it, hence unregistered births as they kept away from authorities and bullied the townships, it is highly possible Jane and or possibly her father/mother may have been involved with the gang.

[JAP]

...
In old english writting we see the letter "f" used in place of the "s" with internal lettering of a word, do you know the reason behind that?
flogged.

Hi flogged,

The letter you sometimes see used in place of 's' is NOT an 'f'.

It is what is called the 'long s'.

At first glance it can look rather like an 'f' but it is NOT.  A more careful study of the letter shows that it either has no "cross-bar" - thus 'ſ'' - or that the "bar" is not a cross-bar at all but extends only to the left of the downstroke.

The 'long s' should never be transcribed as 'f' but always as 's'.
Unfortunately, it is all too often transcribed as 'f' leading to twee (and wrong) usages such as 'Mifs' instead of 'Miss', etc, etc, etc.
Such errors are what give the impression of (as you commented) of a lisp.

As silvery pointed out in reply #4, there is a useful article in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s
It also includes some interesting external links.

Regards,

JAP
PS: By now you may have gathered that this is something of a hobby-horse of mine. 
As is also the twee (and wrong) transcription of the thorn as 'y' (Ye Olde Curiositie Shoppe) instead of 'th'.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)

PPS: ScotlandsPeople, in its glossary, gives the following explanation for "of that ilk".
Ilk    Same, used after surname to indicate person is of the estate of the same name as the family
i.e. not 'of the same family' but 'of the estate of the same name as that of the family'.

[Rena]

Nope, not heard of them flogged, in fact I don't think any of the ancestors I've researched have been of that ilk  

I've just checked with the Hugh Wallis site and seen that there are Bitton church records for the 1600's [where only one Thomas Ward(e) was producing girls] but no church records for the period you're researching, which means either they haven't survived or they've not been published.  I haven't yet discovered why some church records only seem to have girls and no boys recorded - maybe the parents travelled to the main diocese church with them.  If you weren't registered with the parish committee you wouldn't receive aid from the poor box.  Sometimes if you're lucky you might find a Settlement Certificate which people had to have when they moved.

Has any of your group searched the online British Library newspaper archives for a clue?  These n/papers go back as far as the 1650's and I've found a few of my ordinary rellies mentioned.  Online access can only be gained through your local library, so it's worth all of you visiting your library website to see if they are members.  You can research from your own computer with the ref. number your library gives you..

http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/lancs?db=BBCN

Good luck
Rena