turner/nott connection

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Looking for records regarding parents and localities (either birth places or residences)for John Frederick Turner born 1820 and Mary Ann Nott born 1835? Marriage date 28th march St Johns Church Adelaide South Australia.Not sure if parents of John and Mary Ann were born in South Australia or overseas.Australian electoral roll data would also be handy.If anyone can assist me with details I would be much obliged. Thanks Erika.

[krisesjoint]

Hi Erika,

Given Thomas and Mary Ann's birth years they were not born in SA.

I see Mary Ann was previously married in Birmingham

Matthew WILKES = Mary NOTT Dec 1/4 1850 Birmingham

1851 Census

HO107/2057 Folio 399 Page 1
5 Price Street
Birmingham
Warwickshire

WILKES Sarah Head 43 Widow b Darleston Staffordshire Employed at home
WILKES Matthew Son 23 Mar b Darleston File Maker
WILKES Mary Dau in Law 20 b Birmingham
WILKES Mary Ann Dau 16 b Birmingham Milliner

arrived Adelaide 11 Oct 1851 aboard the Christina

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1851Christina.gif


Births to Matthew WILKES and Mary Ann NOTT in SA

Sarah Ann 9 Oct 1851 Norwood Dist Ade 3 291
Mark 17 Jun 1853 Adelaide Dist Ade 4 167
Eliza Jane 22 Jun 1855 Adelaide Dist Ade 5 187
Harriet 6 Oct 1857 Adelaide Dist Ade 11 170
also a Charles died 24 Jul 1861 Adelaide Dist Ade 9 265 aged 16 Months Res Adelaide (Father Matthew) dont see a birth listed
Then there is

WILKES William Henry 29 Nov 1861 Adelaide Dist Ade Symbol S 20 235 Father Not Listed Mother Mary Ann WILKES nee NOTT

Presume this is because Matthew had died prior to the childs birth

Matthew WILKES aged 33 died 27 Sep 1861 Adeliade Dist Ade 9 288 Res Adelaide

1841 Matthew is in Birmingham with his family - his parents are Mark and Sarah

BISA

WILKS Matthew b c1827 d 28 Sep 1861 Adelaide SA bd WTC arr 1851 CHRISTINA occ File Maker m unknown ch child


Mary Ann married John Frederick TURNER 28 Mar 1864

Children to John Frederick Turner and Mary Ann Nott

Marian 20 Feb 1865 Adelaide Dist Ade 33 184
James 19 Oct 1866 Adelaide Dist Ade 33 661
Joseph 27 Dec 1867 Adelaide Dist Ade 55 113
Laura Georgina 13 Sep 1870 Adelaide Dist Ade 87 397
Charles Todd 15 Nov 1872 Adelaide Dist Ade 115 377
Frank William 11 Mar 1874 Adelaide Dist Ade 113 135 (Parents John Frederick Turner and Amelia Ann Nott)

John Frederick TURNER died 23 July 1892 Adelaide Dist Ade 203 428 aged 73 years res Adelaide Status rel not recorded
Mary Ann TURNER Died 28 Jan 1895 Adelaide Dist Ade 224 337 aged 61 years res Adelaide Widow rel John Frederick Turner Deceased Husband.

Cheers Kris  

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John Frederick Turner was also previously married

John Frederick TURNER = Ann PARDEY Jun 1/4 1847 St Pancras 1 364

BISA

TURNER John Fredk b c1819 ENG died 22 July 1892 Adelaide SA buried:WTC arr by 1850 occ Butcher res Adelaide rel Presb

m (1/2) c1845 Ann nee PARDY par John and Ann b c1825 ENG d 22 Nov 1863 Adelaide SA ch Ann
(1848-1946) John Fredk (1850-1908), Harry (1853-1855) Emily (1857-1941) Fanny

m (2/2) 1864 Adelaide SA Mary Ann b c1833 ENG d 28 Jan 1895 Adelaide SA ch: Jas (1866-), Joseph
(1868-), Laura Georgina LOVELL(1 870-) Marion, Chas, Wm

Births in SA to John Frederick TURNER and Ann PARDY

John 9 Jun 1850 Adelaide Dist Ade 3 73
Henry 21 Mar 1854 Adelaide Dist Ade 4 304
Emily 14 Aug 1857 Adelaide Dist Ade 11 124
Fanny 27 Aug 1859 Ade Dist Ade 15 174

TURNER Anne died 22 Nov 1863 Adelaide Dist Ade 15 235, aged 38, rel John Frederick - husband, res Adelaide

Cheers Kris 

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Hi Kris,
 Can't thank you enough for all the information you have supplied regarding this request.I have printed it off and will relish going through it all and adding lots of new info to my ancestry tree.I really had drawn blanks here although a look up at my local library mentioned a Mary Ann Wilkes, so your details put that into perspective.I have also tried to access a lot of South Australian material through the local Ballarat Genealogy Society.Not having much luck though regarding on line access to things!!I am more familiar with the way the Victorian system works and being able to peek at details on line with BDM for a small fee means less mistakes regarding lineage etc.For interests sake,my grandfather,Charles Hayman was one of Marian Turners children.His father is Francis Edward Hayman.Once again much thanks.I very much appreciate your assistance. Cheers Erika.

[krisesjoint]

Glad to help Erika,

The marriage entry was the key.

John Frederick TURNER 44 status not recorded father John = Mary Ann WILKES 29 status unrecorded father Thomas NOTT 28 Mar 1864 St John's Church Adelaide Dist Ade Symbol A 57 214

This is the most likely entry I can see for Thomas's arrival into Australia although Christian names are not listed, there is a wife and child mentioned which would tie in with the BISA, as the oldest child does not appear to have been born in SA.

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849Candahar.htm

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Hi again Erika,

There is a little more information for you as to residence listed in the burial records

Matthew WILKES was buried West Terrace Cemetery 28 Sep 1861 aged 34 years residence given as Grote St. Also his son Charles was buried WTC 25 July 1861 aged 17 months residence Grote St.

Next I note

Ann TURNER was buried WTC 23 Nov 1863 aged 39 years residence Grote St.

So John Frederick and Mary Ann were both residents of Grote Street when they lost their respective partners and they remained there

John Frederick TURNER was buried WTC 25 July 1892 residence Grote St
and then

Mary Ann TURNER was buried WTC 29 Jan 1895 aged 61 years of Wright Street (just 2 streets from Grote St)

Cheers Kris 

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Thanks Kris,
Am delighted to say we have been able to get a lot more information and specifics with all the valuable details you have provided.So much so we have been flat out searching and putting all the data into place.How enjoyable and exciting the whole process is once you feel you are making progress.I am always truly grateful when folks on this site pull all stops out to be of assistance.Very encouraging to us newbies just starting out on the family history trail.Once again you help has been much appreciated. Cheers Erika.