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Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« on: Sunday 08 March 09 14:34 GMT (UK) »
In the 1841 census I have the following family:

PLOUGH INN, SOUTH PLACE, KINGSTON, SURREY

Thomas Wales age 30 born Surrey. Occ Victualler
Frances Wales age 25 born Surrey
Thomas Wales age 5 born Surrey
Edwin Wales age 4 born Surrey
John Wa;es age 2 born Surrey
Emma Audley age 15 born Surrey
Martin goodson age 30 not born in Surrey
Alfred Rogers age 25 not born in Surrey

Alfred Rogers is an ancestor and was born in Fulham, Middx. He married Emma Audley in Ham 1846. Her father is given as William Audley, a Land Surveyor, deceased. One of the witnesses was Alice Audley. Sadly I can't make out the other one.

I am wondering if Thomas Wales wife is related to Emma, was she an Audley before marriage? Is that why Emma was living with them? I do have Alfred and Emma in 1851 and beyond, but wonder if anyone can trace this Wales family in 1851 for me. Hopefully it will give a birthplace for Frances Wales which might help me find out if there is a connection to Emma or Alice Audley.
Leics-Sharp/Baker/Underwood
Marylebone-Osborne/Tod(d)
Herts- Sear, Cato
Bucks/ Beds-Impey/Field/Hall
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Glos-Poole/Byard/Smallman
Middx-Kemp/Harris/Perrin/Lee/Cooper/Morrell
Middx-Ballard
Berks-Ballard
Wilts-Ballard
Hammersmith, Middx-Cranstone
Surrey/Middx-Jux
Villemagne, France- Perrin
Dunning, Perthshire-Tod/Niven
Dorset- Tod/d
Milner- Neenton, Shropshire
Edwards- Neenton, Shropshire
Poultney/Beswick-Kidderminster, Worcs

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Re: Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 08 March 09 14:41 GMT (UK) »
1851 Transcribed as Wells

Plough Inn Surbiton Hill, Kingston HO107/1603/321/12

Thomas Wales, 41, Inn keeper
Frances, 40
Edwin, son 15
John, son 12
James Hall lodger, 33
Thomas Rathbone, 20 Lodger

Jen
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 March 09 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Sorry - Frances was born Godalming, Surrey.

Jen
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ESS: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow Duck Spurden Harmony
SCT: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NRY: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
WES; Dickenson Jackson Ewbank Waller
STS: White
SRY: Knight
DUR: Smith Littlefair
HAM: Williams Grose Lush Venson

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Re: Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 March 09 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Jen,
Many thanks for that...am off to see if Kingston is near to Godalming..........
Leics-Sharp/Baker/Underwood
Marylebone-Osborne/Tod(d)
Herts- Sear, Cato
Bucks/ Beds-Impey/Field/Hall
Herefordshire-Smallman
Glos-Poole/Byard/Smallman
Middx-Kemp/Harris/Perrin/Lee/Cooper/Morrell
Middx-Ballard
Berks-Ballard
Wilts-Ballard
Hammersmith, Middx-Cranstone
Surrey/Middx-Jux
Villemagne, France- Perrin
Dunning, Perthshire-Tod/Niven
Dorset- Tod/d
Milner- Neenton, Shropshire
Edwards- Neenton, Shropshire
Poultney/Beswick-Kidderminster, Worcs


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Re: Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 March 09 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Not very near to Godalming- Bob
Douglas, Varnden, Joy(i)ce Surrey, Clarke Northants/Hunts, Pullen Worcs/Herefords, Holmes Birmingham/USA/Canada/Australia, Jackson Cheshire/Yorkshire, Lomas Cheshire, Lee Yorkshire, Cocks Lancashire, Leah Cheshire, Cook Yorkshire, Catlow Lancashire
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Re: Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 March 09 14:15 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Bob!
Leics-Sharp/Baker/Underwood
Marylebone-Osborne/Tod(d)
Herts- Sear, Cato
Bucks/ Beds-Impey/Field/Hall
Herefordshire-Smallman
Glos-Poole/Byard/Smallman
Middx-Kemp/Harris/Perrin/Lee/Cooper/Morrell
Middx-Ballard
Berks-Ballard
Wilts-Ballard
Hammersmith, Middx-Cranstone
Surrey/Middx-Jux
Villemagne, France- Perrin
Dunning, Perthshire-Tod/Niven
Dorset- Tod/d
Milner- Neenton, Shropshire
Edwards- Neenton, Shropshire
Poultney/Beswick-Kidderminster, Worcs

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Re: Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 March 09 15:28 GMT (UK) »
However it is clearly the right family and I have families who intermarried between Dorking and Godalming at a much earlier date.

It's about 27 miles. However the 1851 Census clearly gives the POB


I looked for a Marriage - pre 1836
The best one is St Ann's Soho
Thomas Wells -Frances Tickner
    
28 OCT 1833

Frances Tickner bap     
28 JUL 1811      Godalming, Surrey
dau of John Tickner and Mary per IGI

Bob
Douglas, Varnden, Joy(i)ce Surrey, Clarke Northants/Hunts, Pullen Worcs/Herefords, Holmes Birmingham/USA/Canada/Australia, Jackson Cheshire/Yorkshire, Lomas Cheshire, Lee Yorkshire, Cocks Lancashire, Leah Cheshire, Cook Yorkshire, Catlow Lancashire
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Re: Can anyone trace the Wales family in the 1851 census?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 March 09 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Bob,
Thanks for the info. I guess that perhaps they aren't related to Emma Audley after all. I had hoped Frances maiden name would be Audley! Emma Audley may just have been a lodger with the Wells/Wales family.

Thanks for your time with this.
Leics-Sharp/Baker/Underwood
Marylebone-Osborne/Tod(d)
Herts- Sear, Cato
Bucks/ Beds-Impey/Field/Hall
Herefordshire-Smallman
Glos-Poole/Byard/Smallman
Middx-Kemp/Harris/Perrin/Lee/Cooper/Morrell
Middx-Ballard
Berks-Ballard
Wilts-Ballard
Hammersmith, Middx-Cranstone
Surrey/Middx-Jux
Villemagne, France- Perrin
Dunning, Perthshire-Tod/Niven
Dorset- Tod/d
Milner- Neenton, Shropshire
Edwards- Neenton, Shropshire
Poultney/Beswick-Kidderminster, Worcs