Suggestions for correct family name, please

[The Geneal Geologist]

FAULKS, FAUKS, FAWKES, FOLKES, FOLKS, FORKES, FOULKES, FOWKES, etc.

I have a Judith FAULKS (abt 1768) marrying a Jacob WILSON in Greasley, NTT in 1794.
Any suggestions to which family she may belong would be appreciated.

Regards,
Mark

[Jane Eden]

Hi

Judith Fauks and Jacob Wilson 17 12 1794 Greasley

Jane

[The Geneal Geologist]

Jane - Thanks.
Could kindly provide the source for the FAUKS spelling - transcription source, perhaps, and/or whether this a Greasley original record you have seen yourself?

Regards,
Mark

[behindthefrogs]

I don't really understand your question.  In the 18th century and earlier there was no standard spelling for names.  You will often find two or more variants of a surname spelling in the same document.  Many people could not read or write and so the spelling used by someone else would be what they had come across previously or just an interpretation of the spoken name.

There is thus no correct spelling for any family and the answer to your question is  probably all of them.

David

[The Geneal Geologist]

Sorry, if my question was not clear, behindthefrogs. I was trying to establish what the spelling was on the original document, rather than the various transcriptions on various electronic sources, which are as listed in my original mail. As you stated, there are a number.

Jane's kind response did not clarify whether or not she had checked this is in the original Greasley records by confirming that the register said FAUKS, or mentioning her source. Once I can be sure of the phonetics of the surname, it may help me to establish which family in the area she may be the daughter of.

Over many years, I have run into issues that many parish records have been mistranscribed and sometimes the suggested family name or close variants online are not close. Early transcriptions, not revieiwed, have lived on for years with errors. A breakthrough has occurred after the original record has been reviewed, or kindly forwarded as a mobile phone image (for example) for me to review. A short name, that could be read as FAUKS, with poor script, could be something different (e.g. EALES, HALLS, HAWKS, GALES, etc).

I have returned to this conundrum after about 20 years after no progress in online source for Judith's parents (or possibly an earlier marriage). Unfortunately, I am not UK-based and rely on the kindness of Rootchatters who maybe in the position to help.

Pending Jane's clarification, I would still appreciate a review of the original record if anyone is in a position to do so, and if an image is available so I can check the script.

Thanks & regards,
Mark

[Jane Eden]

Hi Mark

I am pleased that you have said where you are based. For people outside of the UK I will go the extra mile. I usually put in my source so apologies. It was from Nottm Fam Hist Soc CD as are all refs in this post.

I have looked for the births of both on the CD and can find nothing. Other parishes etc.

The only Judith within 40 years of the marriage is

Baptism: Judith to Judith Foulds 22 8 1761 Worksop Priory (Could have got baptised late)

Worksop Priory is 30 miles from Greasley.

Also baptism Judith Hindley to William (no mother) 24 10 1743 Scrooby

Greasley to Scrooby 43 miles

Worksop is about 30 miles.

If you have lots more information may be you can contact me by PM and we can swap emails. If I have enough to narrow it down I may go to Nottm Archives to help you. I haven't been for ages as I am very short on time but if we can find specific look ups I could go as you obviously cannot.

Jane

[The Geneal Geologist]

Thanks Jane. I'm not familiar with the CD. Is this a transcription list or images of the microfilm?
My information is limit to the following:
1. She died in early 1833 Brinsley aged 65 years which would put her birth c1768. She therefore does not appear on census.
2. When she married Jacob WILSON in 1794, she would have been abt 26 years, 10 years younger than her husband who had been married previously. I do not know if she was a widow at marriage, which may indicate FAUKS is her previous husband's name or her maiden name (hence part of my problem).
3. She was of child-bearing age to have 2 sons immediately after marriage in 1795 & 1796. No other children found so far, which raises the question of whether the 1833 death is really her or whether she died after 1796. Her husband died in 1835.

I would appreciate any information whenever you have the time, however I do not expect a visit to the archive just on my account.
Regards.

[Knellie]

Don't know if this will help???

BMD Records - for Brinsley held at the Nottingham Archive date from 1861, prior to this records are Greasley.

Greasley Fiche 28...
The wedding of Jacob Wilson & Judith Fauks - 17th December 1794 appears on page 22 No 87, the couple each made their marks. Witnesses were John Pedley & John Mansell. 

Greasley Fiche 51...
February 2nd 1833 page 185 No 1479 Judith Wilson 65 yrs of Brinsley Ceremony performed by John Hides.

Looking for links for Judith - no references for Fauks or variants appear on Greasley Baptism Fiche 6 (24th June 1766 - 13th October 1780)

Possible marriage for Judith's parents - no references for Fauks or variants appear on Greasley Marriage Fiche 24
(2nd May 1755 - 31st December 1761) or Fiche 25 (8th January 1762 - 6th March 1770).

Knellie


 

[Jane Eden]

Hi

The Nottinghamshire Family History Society BMD CDs are transcripts of record but I have found them to be accurate in the past. They are a good source for looking up documents and for finding links between families. The only problem is that not all parishes are covered for all dates. I looked up the witnesses, John Pedley and John Mansell but cannot find a direct link. I found marriages

John Pedley + Elizabeth Bancroft 20 11 1797 Greasley
John Mansell + Mary Barton 16 * 1774 Elkesley

But these may be nothing to do with your peole. Elkesley is a distance from Greasley.

Jane