Missing Barter Family in Cardiff

[howdee]

Can anyone help with this strange problem please. Details as follows:

A number of branches of the Barter family, moved from Somerset to Glamorgan in the 19th century, mostly to Cardiff, some to Pontypridd. I recently found a branch that I'm sure are related but haven't been able to make the link yet. I found them in the 1891 Census and they also seem to pop up in other census years. unfortunately, I dont have a current sub to Ancestry. com, so can't find parents of JOHN or CHARLOTTE but strangely, none of the family pop up in the 1881 census, I've searched under each name in all counties of England and Wales. I've found several BMD's but no sign in 1881 census. The family are:

John Barter b: 1840 Somerset. (Taunton)
Charlotte    b: 1838     "           nee Russell (Chard)
Samuel       b: 1863     "
Emily A.       b: 1870     "
Annie          b: 1871     "
Sarah R       b: 1874  Cardiff
Elizabeth     b: 1877     "
John            b: 1879     "
Alfred          b: 1883     "

Have I missed something? I'm at a loss.

Any help would be much appreciated

Thanks for looking

Howard

[MaryA]

Tynypark, Whitchurch, Glamorgan
John Barker Head M 40 Carpenter Somerset Atterford
Charlotte Wife M 43 Somerset Buckland St Mary
Fred Son Un 19 Labr Farm " "
Ann daur 10 Scholar Glamorgan Llanishen
Sarah 6 " " "
Elizabeth 4 " "
John son 2 " Whitchurch
RG11; Piece: 5275; Folio: 136; Page: 22

I think the actual birthplaces are crucial when searching, it was the Llanishen and Buckland St Mary from the 1891 censuses that were the clue, but we didn't have that information without looking it up.

You won't find Emily A as part of the family since she is a daughter in law only.

[cardiff]

Hi
Could this person also belong to you
ST Mary's Church Whitchurch cardiff
Headstone reads-
Sacred to the memory of/ my beloved husband HUBERT VIVIAN BARTER/ who died
March 21st 1959/aged 45yrs/ Abide with me.
The only Barter buried in the grave yard.
Cheers cardiff

[howdee]

Hi Mary A, and Cardiff

Thanks for your information, So they were transcribed as Barker in 1881!

At the moment I'm only able to access Ancestry via our local part time library with a limited time slot so a bit restricted, hence I couldn't get more info. I found the 1891 census shortly before my sesion ended and then looked up other census years at home but can only see that they are there, not being able to view the record. Thanks for taking the time to dig it out.

If anyone could have a look at the 1841/1851 census (Somerset) and find parents names, I would be very grateful. I may then be able to make the link.

Thanks again

Howard

[Arranroots]

Hi Howdee

How need to post again on the Somerset board for the earlier censuses - make sure you give them all the info you have !!

 

[MaryA]

If Arranroots doesn't mind, I'll continue here for a moment since they were still in Wales in 1871 and see where things go after that.

1871 Hill Terrace, Llanishen, Glamorgan (Spellings are as I see them)
John Barter Head M 30 Carpenter Somerset Otlerford?
Charlotte Wife M 33 Somerset Backland
Fred son 9 Scholar " "
Samuel son 7 " " Otlerford
Tom son 4 " " Buckland
Ann daur 4 months Glamorganshire Lanishen
RG10; Piece: 5354; Folio: 24; Page: 2

[MaryA]

1861
Rull Moor, Otterford, Somerset
Wm Richards Head Mar 45 Agr Lab Devon Churchstanton
Eliza daur 10 scholar Somerset Otterford
Caroline daur 8 " " "
John Barker Boarder Un 20 Carpenter Somerset Otterford
RG9; Piece: 1613; Folio: 39; Page: 9

Again he's been transcribed as Barker although I think it's the same John.

[Arranroots]

I don't mind - it's just that there are people on Somerset with local records, or access to them, which might add more than just the census records.  That was my thinking, anyway!

No reason why another request can't be made on Somerset for any parish records later, it's true.

A 

[MaryA]

OK maybe it gets a bit more complicated in 1851 - in-law was often used for "step child"

Otterford, Somerset (transcribed Backer, reads Barker)
William Richards Head Mar 35 Ag Lab Devon Churchstanton
Elizabeth Wife Mar 41 Ag Lab's Wife Devon Churchstanton
Eliza daur 5 months Somerset Otterford
Eli Barker Son in Law 17 Ag Lab Somerset Staple Pitzpaine
Levena " daur in law 13 Nurse maid " "
John " son in law 10 Ag Lab " Somerset
Ann " daur in law 7              " "
HO107; Piece: 1922; Folio: 51; Page: 3