COMPLETED THANKS ------ Emily Henritta EMPTAGE

[AngelFish]

Please does anyone have any connections to Emily Henritta EMPTAGE bn c1889, Caistor District?  She seems to appear on Genes Reunited and Ancestry personal trees, but I am no longer members of either site.

I am looking for information because she married Edgar KITCHING in 1922, his father was Joseph William.

They may have had a son Frank R KITCHING bn 1928 Grimsby district, because FreeBMD shows a birth registered & mothers maiden name was EMPTAGE.

Thank you for any information 

[GeoffE]

1891
24 Guildford St, Grimsby (image shows Guilford)
James EMPTAGE 24 Mast and Blockmaker, Grimsby
Annie 22 Laceby
Richard 4 Grimsby
Emily 2 Grimsby
Nelly 3m Grimsby
Nelly WILKIN (vis) 12 Laceby

Marriages Jun 1886
EMPTAGE    James William        Hull    9d   353   
WILKIN    Annie         Hull    9d   353

Birth Dec 1865
EMPTAGE    James William         Caistor    7a   545

[GeoffE]

On my BIVRI disks
Born/Bap 8/29 Oct 1865 Grimsby (St James)
James William EMPTAGE, son of James Harvison EMPTAGE and Mary Ann Elizabeth

Marriages Dec 1862 
EMPTAGE    James Harrison        Caistor    7a   1188   
MUNSON    Mary Ann Elizabeth         Caistor    7a   1188

Marriage 25 Dec 1862, Grimsby (St James)
James Harvison EMPTAGE (full, son of James) to Mary Ann Elizabeth MUNSON (minor, dau of Henry)

Marriage 3 Feb 1837, Grimsby (St James)
James Mares EMPTAGE to Elizabeth HARVISON

[GeoffE]

1881
37 Victor St, Grimsby
JH EMPTAGE 40 Mast and Block Maker, Grimsby
AEH (wife) 34 Kent Graveshead (Gravesend?)
JW (boy)15 App to Mast and Block Maker
EH  (girl) 8 Grimsby
Florence 13 Grimsby
Jessie 2 Grimsby
EM (girl) 1m Grimsby
Eliza TASKER? (unm) 58 Nurse, Orby
Louisa SENDS? 21 Servant, Scamblesby

NB: FreeBMD suggests Emily Henrietta was 13 and Florence 8

1851
King Edward Street North, Grimsby
Elizabeth EMPTAGE (mar) 38 Seaman's Wife
William 13
James 10
John 6
Alfred 3
Charles 1
William HARRISON (wid, father) 78 Labourer, Great Coates
Others born Grimsby

[AngelFish]

Thank you for that GeoffE. x 



I still hope to hear from anyone with more information or connections.

I understand that when she married Edgar KITCHING he said he was a widow (I don't have the certificate).  Does anyone know who he was previously married to?

[GeoffE]

I sam wondering if he married Annie KITCHING  in North Wales
Marriages Jun 1917
KITCHING    Annie    (Kitching)    St.Asaph    11b   475
KITCHING    Edgar    (Kitching)    St.Asaph    11b   475

In 1911, Edgar (28) was with Anna (33) and various kids including Grace (12).

In 1901, Grace KITCHEN (2) was daughter of Joseph (27 French Polisher, Grimsby) and Annie J (26 Caernarvon Wales)
Marriages Sep 1895
JONES    Annie Jane         Carnarvon    11b   575   
KITCHING    Joseph Briggs         Carnarvon    11b   575

Joseph KITCHING (38 Grimsby) was in Bristol in 1911.

All theories and coincidences of course

[AngelFish]

GeoffE, you have absolutely made my day.  Thank you for your help.

----COMPLETED THANKS-----

[GeoffE]

Don't get carried away.

Ideally you need a death or divorce for Joseph and a death for Annie J before Ed's 2nd marriage in 1922.  Otherwise it's all just speculation.

[AngelFish]

I'm already awaiting a death certificate for Annie KITCHING 1921, Louth. 

I thought I could get the Edgar Kitching & Annie Kitching marriage certificate from St Asaph (wales were Annie was from) & compare the fathers names to what I already have, & to see if Annie is a widow.

I'll search the index for a death certificate for Jospeh KITCHING, if there is one before Annie remarried... Annie was already living with Edgar while Jospeh was still alive so you never know, maybe she didn't wait