LIVERPOOL COWKEEPERS

[stanmapstone]

Vine Street is still there, off Falkner Street.
See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=53.4002&lon=-2.9635&layers=168&right=BingHyb

Stan

[lorraineosborne]

Thank you Stan - I have just been checking the  marriage certificate and yes the address was Vine Street.  Would St Philips Church be close to there or maybe that was the bride's parish.

The marriage certificate was in 1847 for James Challinor (an engine driver) and Emma Johnson. His father was the Cowkeeper Thomas Challinor,  and her father was John Johnson, a carter (dec). I have tried to find these families on the 1841 census without any luck.
Any help would be appreciated.

I will do some research on Cow keepers - it is becoming a very interesting topic.

Loz57

[lorraineosborne]

I have just checked the certificate again and Emma Johnson gave her address as Clarence Street, Liverpool.
Loz57

[lorraineosborne]

Hello Lesley
Thanks for your information. It seems there is a Vine Street. I have only been to the Archives in Liverpool so don't know anything about the location of streets, etc.

Loz57

[lesleyhannah]

Hi - I don't remember Vine Street, but from the directions the others on here give, it seems like it's near the city centre in the south end. You may remember the recent BBC television programme about the history of a house  - well that was in Falkner Street (near the university). If you manage to see that programme it might give you some idea of the area.
Regards
Lesley

[lorraineosborne]

Hi Hannah - thanks - yes I did see the programme and thought at the time it could have been somewhere near.
Have you any idea where Clarence Street is and where St Philips Church is?

Lo57

[stanmapstone]

Clarence Street is still there https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.4048&lon=-2.9726&layers=168&right=BingHyb
Google Street View https://goo.gl/maps/Lvrtv551MZi7yjSm9

There is a photo of Vine Street at https://senatehouseoccupation.wordpress.com/40-years-on/40-years-on-photos-of-key-locations-in-2010/
Scroll down to
"Vine Street looking south today.  New flats have replaced the terraced houseswhich Princess Alexandra visited in May1969 (below)."
Stan

[lorraineosborne]

Thank you so much - I have tried to find information about these families and then given it a break - so now I ma enthused to have another go!

Loz57

[ThrelfallYorky]

As James' father is apparently deceased by time of marriage, I tried to chase Emma's family.
No idea from the marriage date how old Emma might have been, but in 1841 I can find only a couple of likely Emmas with father John Johnson.
I'd expected to find them further up the Lancs coast, possibly in the Southport area, but are either of these any help:
An Emma J b. 1825, and on Kinsey Street Congleton in 1841, with father John and mother Maria - but he's a labourer.
An Emma J b 1826, and in Ashton under Lyne in 1841, with father John and mother Martha - but this chap's working in the cotton industry.