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"Completed" Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« on: Thursday 16 April 09 15:10 BST (UK) »
My father was at Lossiemouth in 1943, for RAF air crew training --  he writes in his journal  "eventually reach Lossiemouth, have a beer and learn of the  L & M"
Can anyone please tell me what the "L & M" might be??   Stuff of myths & legends perhaps?   Considering it was learned in the Pub, & in Scotland,  & he considered it worthy of noting down, --  I have long been wondering!
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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 April 09 18:56 BST (UK) »
It might be the 'Laich o' Moray' as the area is known.  It is also the name of a hotel/pub in Elgin.

Of course, it could be something completely different!

What job did he do at Lossie?  That may have a bearing.

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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 April 09 16:46 BST (UK) »
Hello Stuart,
Thanks for your thoughts.  You are ptobably pretty close to the mark!  Dad was rather interested in history & also keen to learn about his new environment.   He had travelled from Dumfries............." left at 16.45 and caught train, changed at St Enoch's, lorry to Buchanan St & on to Aberdeen & stay until 8am. Change at Elgin & eventually reach Lossie.  Have a beer & learn of the L&M  then catch bus to Milltown"  .........Quite a trip. I guess he needed a beer by the time he got there.   He would have been conspicuous in his RAAf uniform & even moreso when he started chatting to the locals in the pub!   Although it was most unlikely he was the only stranger in town at the time. So it could just as easily have been fact or fiction that he learned, or perhaps a bit of both?
He was training with a bomber crew.  They were later based in Yorkshire & flew in Halifaxes & all made it home after completing their tour.
 Thanks again for your interest.
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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 April 09 21:56 BST (UK) »
Milltown was, I believe, a satellite of RAF Lossiemouth.  It is currently an arial 'farm'.

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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 May 09 09:19 BST (UK) »
Hello again Stuart,
 Apologies for the slow response to your last post, I have been away.
 Thanks for that information, it will provide a good landmark if I have the opportunity to visit the area.  I have been to  Scotland twice,  but not to Lossie, so it will definitely be on my list for next time!
Thanks again for your interest,
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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 July 09 14:41 BST (UK) »
Milltown was, I believe, a satellite of RAF Lossiemouth.  It is currently an arial 'farm'.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ2665

RAF Milltown was used by the RAF Fulmar Gliding Club until 1976, when the aerials were built and the gliders had to move out.
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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 14 July 09 05:43 BST (UK) »
Thank you Forfarian for the further interesting information about Milltown and for the link to a wonderful website  -  great pictures and very much appreciated.
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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 December 09 14:42 GMT (UK) »
In this instance I'd say it means the following:

Logistics and Movement

L&M are responsible for the supply of all RAF units and the co-ordination of RAF airlift. L&M provides support for the whole RAF although Movements Control are concentrated with Transport Command.

Looking to connect my Trayes' from 1700 on to other Trayes' in the rest of the United Kingdon. 

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Re: Lossiemouth - local knowledge - L & M??
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 December 09 22:48 GMT (UK) »
And I'd say your right!  That makes sense to me as he was discussing the trip he had just undertaken.  Must have been a logistical nightmare, keeping track of the whereabouts all the troops.
Thank you very much for your response, it is greatly appreciated.   
 I will contact you shortly re my Trayes/ Treays connection.
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Dixon; Northumberland
Scott: Perthshire & Lancashire
Cooper; Middlesex
Colston, Richards; Dorset
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