Oxford Stray WEBLIN of Shipton & a question?

[gene-genie]

I have found this marriage in the  Parish register Stretton-on-Fosse Warks:

Henry Turvy & Emme Wiblon(? )of Shipton, Oxon   Dec ? 1780   Banns called Wm. Longford, Rector.

I believe the date was 24 Dec 1780.

My question is - where would this Shipton be in Oxforshire - would it be Shipton-under-Wychwood?   To confuse matters  Shipston-on-Stour  Worcs isn't far away.

In your opinion, does this entry mean that only the bride was from Oxon or possibly the groom as well?
Thanks.

[trish1120]

There are 2 entries on Familysearch for this marriage.

1 taken from Groom Index Oxfordshire Parish Transcripts 1538-1837, and only has this;

Henry TURVY to Emy WIBLING 1780
Shipton under Wychwood, Oxford, England

2nd

Henry Turvy
Emme WEBLIN
24 December 1780
Stretton-On-Fosse, Gloucestor, England
(EXTRACTED RECORD)

More confusing

Maybe banns were reg. both parishes and marriage took place Gloucestor

Maybe someone else can explain

trish

[Myfi!]

According to the  OFHS transcripts for Shipton under Wychwood Oxon the marriage appears to have taken place there

25 Dec 1780 Henry TURVY  bach of Stretton upon ye Foss, Warks
                     Emy WIBLING otp spin.  (she made her mark)
                     witnesses  William PILL, Peter Cross,  by Banns


afraid I can't see a suitable baptism for Emy/Emme Wibling/Weblin in Shipton

[gene-genie]

Thanks to both for your help.

I think the banns must have been read in both Stretton-on-Fosse and Shipton-under-Wychwood which was required under law (unless a license was obtained).  I believe whereas Stretton is now regarded as in Warwickshire,  it was part of  GLS until the 19thc.  The whole of this area takes in several counties. Oxon, Warks, GLS and Worcs, sorting them out viz  present day and the past can be confusing.

Despite the change of spelling, I am sure both entries refer to the same people.  If they are, as I hope, my ancestors, they went to live in Toddington GLS, where they appear in the register in 1783 with yet another spelling ie Henry and Amy TOVEY   Both of my ancestors, Henry and Amy are buried in Toddington St Andrew.  As I have not found any suitable marriage in GLS,  I am hopeful I am on the right track.

One question Myfi - are the witnesses Wm Pill and Peter Cross, regular parish signitories to weddings in Shipton, (as sometimes happened), or do they seem to be friends/family?

Shame you couldn't find a birth record for Emy Wibling in Shipton, but at least I have a name to search for, no matter how variable the spelling.   I assume you tried looking for Amy or even Emma Weblin?  Even the surnames Webb, Webber or Webster in Shipton might have a link as Weblin is a diminutive of this medieval occupational name for a weaver.  I have seen no end of variation of the name Amy being used for this lady. Eme, Emme, Emmy, Emma,  Amy, Amie.

[Myfi!]

Had another looksee in Shipton for Emy and all her variants 

Nothing!

 Also looked for anyone else with the surname and variants 1740-1780 again, nothing.

Then checked out the witnesses -
 Peter CROSS was the regular witness appearing on lots of marriages around 1780.

William PILL only appeared the once......
so had a look in the marriages for him and found -

24 Aug 1777 William PILL otp Milton, bach.  &
                     Sarah WIBLING of Westcott Glos, Spin.
                     by Banns,    (both made their marks)
                     wit: John IRELAND, Mary SMITH (she was regular wit.)


Myfi

[gene-genie]

WiFi,

Thanks so much for that info -  I take it that 1777 wedding was also Shipton? 
I think the 'of Milton'  must refer to Milton under Wychwood.
I'll check out the Westcote  link.  It must be  Westcote Stow on the Wold GLS, rather than  Westcott Barton Oxon?   There are Wiblings in Wick Rissington on IGI &  Westcote GLS is only 5 miles from Shipton.   In a way, the fact that you can't find any Oxon links strengthens the idea that they are the Toddington Toveys.

Of course the 'of this parish' on the register did imply that Amy had only recently arrived in the parish of Shipton.  (It's the same when you find the words 'sojourner')

Have you the ability to check baptisms in Oxon - I was just wondering whether Henry and Emme/Amy had any children baptised before their daughter in Toddington in 1783.

Gene-genie

[Myfi!]

Sorry, yes, the 1777 marriage was at Shipton under Wychwood.

Afraid I only have a few Oxon pr transcripts but I believe the OFHS will do a search of their Baptism Index for a couple of pounds.

Just in case Sarah Wibling is related to your Emy here are a few PILL entries from Shipton

baptisms
31 May 1778 William s/o William of Milton
 5 Sep 1779 Sarah d/o William         "
17 Feb 1781 Jenny d/o William         "

burials
30 Nov 1783 Sarah d/o William of Milton
16 Sep 1823 William 67 of Milton
(can't see a burial for Sarah(Wibling)PILL

Myfi