McCall, Ness, Arnott families from Fife

[Lorand]

I am searching for ancestors or decendants of:-

George McCall b circa 1846 married Ann Galloway
Their son - James McCall b circa 1864 in Baillieston married Christina Ness b 1867

Both George and son James were head gardeners in Falkland (probably the palace)

The Ness family were coach hirers.

James and Christina's son was my grandfather, Archibald.

My grandmother was Mary Clark Arnott b 1897.  Her parents were William Arnott and Janet Gilmour Balfour.

They were from coal mining families in the Auchterderran area.

I would be grateful for any info on these families.

Lorraine

[NorrieG]

Hi Lorainne   
This is an inscription from Bowhill Cemetery, have attached photograph.
of the headstone

154      In memory of our father
                                 William G ARNOTT died 14.1.1931 age 59
       Our mother Janet G BALFOUR died 28.9.1930 age 64

Norrie G

[ewatson11]

Do you know who Christina Ness's parents are?  My husband's family have Ness in his family and they are from Falkland?

from

Emma

[MonicaL]

HI Lorraine

Just putting a link to the McCall post on the Lanarkshire board so that people don't repeat any searches already done 

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,378799.0.html

Monica

[sheenie]

Lorraine, Emma

Thought I would post this info on the Ness family from Falkland for you both as there is a connection for us all - Emma thank you for the info you sent me on the Annan family.  Lorraine - did you get the photos I sent you of the coach & Temperance Hotel in Falkland - if not let me know and I'll re-send.  Would also appreciate any info you have of James McCall and Christina Ness's descendants as your Grandfather and my husband's father are cousins.

William Ness bc 1780 Falkland m (date u/knwn) Barbara Waddel b 9.5.1779 Kettle
Children:
Walter Ness b1807 Falkland m to Jane Maxton
Ann Ness b 1809 Falkland m to ?? Black
David Ness b 1811 Falkland m to Barbara Renton
Harry Ness b 1815 Falkland m to Janet Annan
Robert Ness b 1817 Falkland m to Ann Bayne
Janet Ness b 1820 Falkland

Robert Ness b 12.10.1817 Falkland m on 17.11.1842 Falkland to Ann Bayne b 18.2.1815 Creich, Fife
Children:
Robert Ness b 1842 Falkland m to Catherine Dowie
Archibald Ness b 1843 m to Isabell Culbert
William Ness b 1845 m to Ann Black ??
Possible 3 other children Betsy, James & Barbara who all died in 1850
James Ness b 1851 Falkland
David Ness b 1853 Falkland
Walter Ness b 1856 d 1857 Falkland

Robert Ness b 20.1.1842 Falkland m on 14.6.1865 Falkland to Catherine Dowie b 22.12.1841 Kettle, Fife
Children:
Robert Ness bc 1866 d 1867 Glasgow
Christine Ramsay Ness b 29.5.1868 Glasgow m 7.11.1890 East Port, Falkland to James McCall
Ann Bain Ness b 8.7.1870 Edinburgh d 9.10.1949 Falkland
John Ness bc 1872 d 22.10.1876 Falkland
John Ness bc 1873 d 8.11.1877 Falkland
Catherine Ness b 29.4.1875 d 17.9.1876 Falkland
Betsey Ness b 1877 Falkland m 7.4.1889 Temperance Hotel Falkland to John Fernie
Mary Ness b 1.5.1878 Falkland 2.4.1908 Temperance Hotel Falkland m to Andrew Laing
Robert Ness b 1880 d 9.1.1928 Falkland
Archibald Ness b 1886 Falkland m 22.11.1906 Kilgowrie Know Farm Falkland to Janet Maxwell

In the 1881/1891 Census Robert's occupation was a Carrier/Coach Hirer living at East Port then the High Street Falkland.  He died on 14.5.1897 at the Liquorstane Temperance Hotel, Falkland (which is now the Masonic Lodge)
In the 1901 Census his widow Catherine  is listed as the Temperance Hotel Keeper and her children Ann & Mary were general servants in the hotel and Robert and Archibald were Coachmen and domestics.

NorrieG kindly posted a pic of this family's grave/headstone in Falkland in your other thread Lorraine.

If anybody has any further info on Betsy Ness and John Fernie's family or indeed any of the above this would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Sheenie

[Chiad Fhear]

Robert Ness b 20.1.1842 Falkland m on 14.6.1865 Falkland to Catherine Dowie b 22.12.1841 Kettle, Fife
Children:
...
Mary Ness b 1.5.1878 Falkland 2.4.1908 Temperance Hotel Falkland m to Andrew Laing

Hi Sheenie

I'm interested in the Ness / Laing connection in the quote.  Have you the parents of Andrew by any chance?

Regards

Chiad Fhear

[sheenie]

Hi Chiad

Re the Ness/Laing family, Andrew parents were John Laing (b 1854 Kennoway) and Jane Birrell (b 1851 Falkland) - John and Jane were cousins.    If you go to page 2 of  'Laings in Fife and Beyond' message thread you will see my postings on my Laing lineage who originate from Carnbee in Fife so it's quite possible there may be a connection with your Laing family somewhere down the line.

Note you are also researching Rollo - my x2 Gt Grandmother is a Rollo from Fife - would be interested to see if there is any connection there.

Regards
Sheenie

[Chiad Fhear]

Hi Sheenie

I note your comment about the Laings in Fife and will have another look at it.

I also picked up on your comment:
Note you are also researching Rollo - my x2 Gt Grandmother is a Rollo from Fife - would be interested to see if there is any connection there.

From somewhere I've picked up on a Rollo family who I think are all in Australia although from Fife originally but I can't now remember just how they connect into my tree:

JOHN ROLLO was born Abt. 1884 in Newport-on-Tay, Fife.  He married JANE HENDERSON TODD 09 Aug 1913 in Brisbane, Australia, daughter of WILLIAM TODD and SARAH BLACK.  She was born Feb 1889 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, and died 16 Mar 1981 in Brisbane, Australia.
   
Children of JOHN ROLLO and JANE TODD are:
i.      JACK LORD ROLLO, b. May 1915, Wellington, New Zealand; m. CONNIE SHEPHERD.
ii.     WILLIAM TODD ROLLO, b. 14 Nov 1916, New Zealand; m. SALLY PEMBERTON; b. 14 Jun 1914.
iii.    MARGARETTA SIMPSON ROLLO, b. 15 Jun 1917, New Zealand.
iv.    JAMES ALEXANDER TODD ROLLO, b. 24 Nov 1922, Queensland, Australia; d. 18 Mar 1982, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
v.    MORTON ANDREW ROLLO, b. 04 Oct 1926, Queensland, Australia; d. Apr 1956, Queensland, Australia.

I've also been doing a bit of research for a Rollo friend who heads up a legal firm near here.  His father had a relation of mine working for the firm - Isabella Ina Rollo Smith Pryde who was born in Ceres, Fife.  Her husband Alfred Gee's family have Australian connections as well. He was born in Bedale, Yorkshire.

I've another Rollo line where:

SUSAN ROLLO was born 10 Dec 1858 in Barnsmuir Farm, Kilrenny, Fife, and died 13 Jan 1884 in St Ford, Kilconquhar, Fife.  She married JAMES DRUMMOND 21 May 1880 in Anstruther Wester, Fife, son of STEPHEN DRUMMOND and HELEN ROBERTSON.  He was born 11 Jan 1857 in Burnside Farm, Kilrenny, Fife, and died 17 Apr 1933 in Charleton, Colinsburgh, Fife.

I am James Drummond's first cousin twice removed and I have Susan Rollo's line back to her Great Grandparents in about 1750.

I can't include all the information here but if you think there's any connection, please send me a PM with your email and we can exchange info.

Regards

Chiad Fhear

[sheenie]

Hi Chiad

Thanks for this info - just back from holiday today so will have a look at this as soon as and get back to you with a PM.  My x2 Gt. Grandmother was Wilhelmina Rollo b 1831 Logie to David Rollo and Janet Turpie.  David Rollo was a Farmer at Forret Mill, Logie.   

Like you also looking at another Rollo who is in my late husband's family tree - Mary Rollo b 1815 St.Andrews to James Rollo and Bell Hardie, Mary married James Clark b 1811 Largo.

Regards
Sheenie