Fromelles Missing - UK lads in the AIF

[fedelmar]

Liverpool Annie suggest that I post this here as she believed you all liked a challenge.  Both Tim and I would be grateful for any help you can give us with these lads

Bright Blessings
Sandra
www.fromelles.net

PS: Forgot to mention that the Battle of Fromelles apart from being WW1 took place July 1916

Of the 192 Australians believed buried at Pheasant Wood, Fromelles, quite a number were originally born in the UK.   Although a few emigrated with their immediate families, many listed their next of kin as still residing in various parts of the UK.

The following list is those UK-born Australian soldiers buried at Pheasant Wood for whom no descendant has been identified. 

If anyone is able to assist with locating descendants who may still reside in the UK, we would be exceptionally grateful to hear from you. 

397 Private Douglas CASWELL
Born: Powyke, Worcestershire, England
NOK: Eberron and Sophie CASWELL (parents)
More at: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,379789.0.html

1252 Lance Corp Sydney DENNIS
Born: London, Middlesex
NOK: William and Elizabeth Broad DENNIS (parents)
Address: 20 Guildersfield Rd, Streatham, London

889 Private Henry GARDINER (GARDNER)
Born: Whitewell, Yorkshire
NOK: Elizabeth Ann ASHTON (sister)
Address: 92 Victoria Rd, Walton Le Dale, Preston, Lancashire

1274 Corporal Robert Courtney GREEN
Born: Battersea, London
NOK: Augustus Phillip and Jane GREEN (parents)
Address: 168 Ashley Road, Upper Parkstone, Dorset

3819 Private James John HARRIS
Born: Kingston, Dublin, Ireland
NOK: James and Kate HARRIS (parents)
Address: East Pier Battery, Kingston, Dublin, Ireland

842 Sergeant Charles Stevens HILL
Born: East Molesey, Kingston on Thames, Surrey
NOK: Alexander and Ellen HILL (parents)
Address: 31 Spring Gardens, East Molesey, Surrey

689 Private Arthur Mossop JAMES
Born: Paddington, London
NOK: Albert and Susan JAMES (parents)
Address: 240 Guiness Bldgs, Draycott Ave, Chelsea, London

1624 Private John (Jack) T. JOYCE
Born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
NOK: Mary ROSE (mother)
Address: Cambois, Northumberland
NOK: Robert, Nellie, Edwin and Mary ROSE (half-siblings)
Address: Cambois, Northumberland

2462 Private Walter PHEASANT
Born: Bow, London
NOK: R.F. PHEASANT (father)
Address: 4 Barry Ave, Stamford Hill, London
NOK: Ethel PHEASANT (sister)
Address: 15 Trellis St, Malmsbury Rd, Bow, London
more at: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,379859.0.html

4581 Private Benjamin RICHARDSON
Born: Blaxall, Suffolk
NOK: Benjamin RICHARDSON (father)
Address: Blaxall, Tunstall, Suffolk

1312 Private Horace Frederick ROBINSON
Born: Gillingham, Kent
NOK: John ROBINSON (father)
Address: 2 Galley Hill Terrace, London Rd, Greenhill, Kew
More at: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,380063.0.html

1216 Corporal James Hugh ROSS
Born: Stirling, Scotland
NOK: James A. and Alice T. ROSS (parents)
Address: Parents moved to Australia with family and lived in Northcote, Victoria.
- another reference was given to Mrs J CLARK (sister/aunt?) of 9 Hillingdon Gardens, Cardonald, Glasgow, Scotland
More at: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,379841.0.html

4873 Private Joseph SCOTT
Born: South Shields, Durham
NOK: Mrs Margaret MORDUE (sister)
Address: 5 Cornelius Square, South Shields, Durham

1046 Private Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT
Born: Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
NOK: Andrew Moncrieff and Christian Bryden Grieve SCOTT (parents)
Address: Upper Kier, Thornhill, Dumfrieshire, Scotland

690 Corporal John TOOLE
Born: Liverpool
NOK: George Henry and Martha TOOLE (parents)
3 Mountjoy St, Everton, Liverpool

239 Sergeant William WASS (MM MID)
Born: Winsley, Derby, Derbyshire
Previously served with the Sherwood Forresters in Boer War, China, India, Malay, Egypt
NOK: Germain WASS (father)
Address: Morend Farm, Chellaston, Derbyshire 
More at: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,379920.0.html

[little meg]

Thanks for sharing it with us,  hope you get the help you need.

My husbands grandfather and his brother were at Fromelles. 
Thankfully both survived - one lost an eye and the other taken prisoner.

Margaret

[spof]

Sandra

Do you have estimated dates of birth from their attestation papers? We can use that to work on the censuses for siblings and passenger lists etc.

Glen

[Ruskie]

I would love to follow this thread. 

I heard or read that many Australians have come forward for DNA tests, but very few English. (silly me, cannot remember the numbers or the source  )

Just looking at the names, there are some fairly uncommon sounding ones there, so I hope relatives will be able to be located, but of course it is more difficult working forwards. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with fairly substantial trees for some of these chaps.  Ads in local newspapers may help if we get stuck.

[Fantastic work you are doing Sandra - lovely website too.]

[Ruskie]

Just to make a start 

WALTER PHEASANT

1901 census RG13/341/21/34
51 Appian Rd, Poplar
Richard F Pheasant head 44 tailor b London City
Mary wife 43 do
Richard A son 19 clerk b Bromley
Ethel daur 17 Reeler do
Maud M 16 do do
Albert G 14 messenger boy do
Lily daur 12 b Sydenham
Rose 9 do
Walter 7 b Finsbury
Daisy 5 b Bow

Marriages Sept 1919
Ethel Pheasant = Walter H Lygo (good another unusual name  )
Poplar 1c 970
........................
Mar Sept 1909
Richard Arthur Pheasant = Elizabeth Hannah Dye or Selina Sarah A Sellen West Ham
4a 353

Mar Sept 1911
Maud M Pheasant = Thomas W Brown or Harry J Sanderson
Poplar
1c 812

Mar Jun 1916
Lily Pheasant = Henry De Grey
Marylebone
1a 1321

Mar Jun 1915
Daisy D Pheasant = Frederick Godfrey
Southwark
1d 391

Cannot see marriage for Albert G (though there is a possible Albert no initial G)
Cannot see marriage for Rose

[Ruskie]

JOHN TOOLE

1901
20 Everon Brow
Everton
Liverpool

George Toole head mar 48 spice warehouseman (all family b Liverpool)
Martha wife 43
Richard son single 24 spice warehouseman
George son single 22 railway porter
Elizabeth 20 tailoress
Susannah daur 18
Alfred son 16 spice mill labr
John son 14 tobacco worker
William 9
Ted 6

Mar Sept 1902
Richard Toole = Mary Buxton or Elena Harvey
West Derby
8b 612

Mar Sept 1904
George Toole = Margaret Isabella Andrew or Evelyn Annie Maudesley
West Derby
8b 612

Mar Jun 1903
Susannah Toole = John Hatchard or Thomas Glover Knowles
West Derby
8b 537

A couple of marriage choices for Elizabeth, Alfred, William and Ted/Edward.

[Ruskie]

DOUGLAS CASWELL

1901
Sand Pits Powick
Worcestershire
RG13/2783/46/17

Edwin E Caswell head mar 33 coal agent b Powick Worcestershire
Sophie MC wife 34 dressmaker own account at hom German subject b Weisbaden
Douglas son 6 b Powick
Nellie G daur 4
Margrate daur 3
Ebborn J son 1

Not too sure about this as district for Powick is Upton but:
Mar Dec 1915
Nellie Caswell = John W Ball
Kidderminster
6c 205

No luck finding marriages for Margrate (Margaret?) and Ebborn but found parent's marriage:
Dec 1892
Caroline Mary S Beckel/t = Edwin Ebborn Caswell
Upton 6c 531


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[Ruskie]

SYDNEY DENNIS

1901
24 (no street name)
Streatham
RG13/474/101/43

William Dennis head mar 32 milk carrier b London Brixton
Nellie E wife 27 b Bucks n/k
Dorothy daur 4  B London Balham
Sydney W son 1 do
Marle Johnson visitor single 27 living on own account b Oxon Oxford

Can't see an obvious marriage for Dorothy. Lets hope this couple had more children after Sydney ... 

[Ruskie]

BENJAMIN RICHARDSON

1901
Back Road
Blaxhall
Suffolk
RG13/1788/6/4

Benjamin Richardson head mar 38 stockman on farm b Suffolk Little Glemham
Emma wfe 38 b Blaxhall
George son 12 b Blaxhall
Charles son 11 b Norfolk Mundham
William 9 do
Benjamin son 7 b Blaxhall
Jane 5 do
Arthur 3 do
Thomas under 11 months do

Difficult to narrow down any marriages as children are so young and names are quite common and no middle names known.