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Offline Luzzu

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Illegitimate births
« on: Saturday 23 May 09 15:42 BST (UK) »
Hi.

If I order a birth certificate for a child probably born before the couple were married (around 1850-55) does anyone know if it is likely to give the father's name?

Did they put "father unknown" in those days?

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Re: Illegitimate births
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 May 09 15:57 BST (UK) »
I think, but not sure, that, as now, the father would have to agree to have his name on the certificate - otherwise the father just wouldn't be included in details.
I have seen in baptisms in parish records 'alleged father'..
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Re: Illegitimate births
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 May 09 23:05 BST (UK) »
Hi

I think there were laws / guidelines, but from what I've seen, you have to not asume anything!

One pair of my predecessors registered and gave great detail as a married couple for two babies and I never found a marriage.  Then I looked a good few years later, and found that they married when they had two children, the first now five years old : Both registered as if the parents were married.

The icing on the cake came recently when a Rootschatter found a baptism for a child I did not know about, born a good few years earlier stil - registered under the father's surname with the mother's maiden and in fact current name a if they were married - but all the other details were missing!

I think you just have to look at all the clues going, and in both parents' names if there's a problem.

If you cn get a baptism register though, as Heywood said, the clergy's cryptic commentscan say a bundle!  A common comment up here near the bordewr is, "Parents supposedly married earlier in Scotland"!  (Variations such as Gretna Green", "Married they say", ---etc!

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Re: Illegitimate births
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 June 09 11:04 BST (UK) »
This link has some good info on what to expect on the birth certificate and whether a father's name would be included or not.

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm
Salford/Manchester -Barlow/Cartwright/Teasdale/Leech/Heathcote/Lowe/Howcroft/Kendrick
Monyash - Heathcote
Warwickshire - Dunkley
Lancaster - Baldwin
Lincolnshire - Booth
Caernarvonshire,Wales - Morris
Ysceifiog, Flintshire - Morris
Birmingham - Morris/Wesley
Cotswolds - Bridges/Stockwell/Turner/Edgeworth/Sly/Shepherd/Pickering
Ross - Newman/Keeling
Cheltenham - Wesley/Smith/Brownett
Wiltshire - Cooper/Thomas
Thornbury - Shea
Tipperary, Ireland - Shea
Ireland - Teasdale


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Re: Illegitimate births
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 June 09 12:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks Sunshinejack.  This is an excellent link.  A good read and full of loads of useful information.  It would be well worth posting this link on one of the main boards, i.e. The Common Room; as I am sure many Rootschatters would find it helpful, particularly people like me who haven't been doing this for very long.

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