Hi Michael,
Am I missing something are the parish indexes online or have you kindly looked that info up elsewhere? Many thanks either way for doing so.
This birth is very interesting, I have located the family in the 1841 census where they are living in Stephenson St. North Shields. The household consists of
John {Foster} 60, tailor, born in county
Robert Mann, 30, Seaman, " " "
Mary Mann, 30, wife, " " "
James Mann, 11 or 4, " " "
Hagar Mann, 1, " " "
So no Susan present.
(I believe Mary's mothers maiden name was Forster so perhaps John Foster is a relative).
In 1851 we still have the family present in Stephenson St. at number 122. The household consists of:
Robert Mann, HD, 40, Corporation Boatman, North Shields
Mary Mann, wife, 39, Boatmans wife, North shields
Mary {f} Mann, Dau, 15, North shields
Susan {H}? Mann, do, 11, Scholar, North shields
Robert Mann, son, 9, Scholar, North Shields
Elizabeth Mann, Dau, 6, Scholar, North Shields
Jane {L}? Mann, do, 2, Dau North Shields
Martha {E}? Mann, do, 6mo do North shields
So James is elsewhere but the Mary you found seems to have now made an appearance. However there is also a Susan but no Hagar. I am assuming therefore at this stage that, Mary Susan died in infancy and that her names were then given to two of her subsequent siblings. I know that Mary aged 15 in 51 was called, Mary Forster and I'm wondering if Hagar was Susan Hagar or Vice versa.
What intrigues and is causing me trouble however is Robert's place of birth. In the 1861 census the year before his death the family are still in Shields living in Bedford St. All the family have changed slightly their places of birth, I can live with that
particulary Mary's which, now given as Seaton Sluice, links me back to earsdon parish. But Robert! Help Suffolk, give me break.
Robert Mann, Hd, 50, River Policeman and Grocer, Suffolk
Mary Mann, wife 49, do wife, Northumberland Seaton Sluice
Elizabeth Mann, dau,16,assistant in grocer shop, do Tynemouth
Martha Mann, dau, 10 scholar, do do
Catherine Mann, 8, do do.
I am positive all these census entries are the same family. Perhaps Robert has given an accurate place of birth as he now feels secure in shields and was fearful of poor laws prior to 61. Who knows but I think I have some research to do here.
thanks again michael
Pete