Ireland to NZ help needed please BOYCE & GREGSON

[Anderson]

Would appreciate help from a good detective. This is what we have:
Joseph Samuel BOYCE born abt 1855 Co Down Ireland married 5 July 1877 Aukland NZ (according to NSW death cert.) Fannie Frances GREGSON born 1 Jan 1857 Co Armagh Ireland. (can't find any NZ mar.)
Their children in NZ:
William Thomas James b: 17 Aug 1878 Cambridge NZ.
Joseph Samuel b: 17 Dec 1879 Egmont Village via New Plymouth NZ.
Their 3rd child was born in New South Wales.
What we don't know is if Joseph (snr) went to NZ as a young lad with his parents and live there for some years or did he go to NZ as a young man on his own? can't find shipping records.
What we do know is that Joseph, Fannie & 2 sons left NZ sometime between 17 Dec 1879 (2nd child born NZ) & 19 Nov 1881 (3rd child born NSW). Can't find shipping records there either.

Would appreciate any help on this family.
Joseph & Fannie are my wife's G/grandparents.
Hope in hope if anyone can solve it it will be a Kiwi.
Regards
Anderson

[newbe_nz]

Hi there,

Have found these two birtha from our BDM website.
Childrens names are right but mothers name is different

1878/7238   Boyce    Thomas William James    Fanny Ann      Joseph   
1880/787           Boyce    Joseph Samuel              Fanny      Joseph

because of joseph's birth been in middle of December 1879 it would have been registered in early January the following year.

Have not found a marriage yet

Newbe

[newbe_nz]

Do you know when Joseph and Fannie arrrived in NZ?

Could they have married before coming to NZ?

Newbe

[Anderson]

Thanks Newbe for your quick reply. The only information we have abt the mar. is from Joseph (snr) NSW death cert. shows are mar. on the 5 Jul 1877 in Aukland. A very precise date being some 58 yrs (his death) after the mar. So you would think it should be right. I don't know if Joseph (snr) came out as a lad with mum & dad or on his own or with Fannie? The only thing is the mar. date the 1st & 2nd children born NZ & 3re in NSW.
I would love to find them either arriving in NZ together or seperately in a passenger list & then leaving on the passenger list to NSW between Dec 1879 & Nov 1881
Anderson

[newbe_nz]

This is the only one I can find for a Joseph and Fannie in NSW
reg no/year       Surname   First name Father      Mother      District
35870/1889      BOYCE      DAVID A      JOSEPH      FANNIE      BROKEN HILL   

Can not se one there for 1881/1882

Newbe

[Anderson]

Isn't it strange that some of the NSW records aren't shown in the NSW BDM  and we managed to find all of the NSW ones. Elsa's g/grandmother was the 3rd child to Joseph & Fannie. She was the 1st child born in NSW. Her name was Mary Ann Elizabeth BOYCE born on the 19 Nov 1881 in Walcha NSW even though she is not shown in the NSW BDM index. We have her birth cert.
It is the ireland to New Zealand and the New Zealand to Aust. shipping dates that seems to be the hard to get bits.
Anderson

[newbe_nz]

Would any of these be your ones

24402/1881      BOYCE      MARY ANNE E      JOSEPH      FRANCES      WALCHA       
15408/1885    BOYCE    ROBERT J    JOSEPH    FRANCES    BOURKE      
36028/1887    BOYCE    MARGARET J    JOSEPH    FRANCES    SILVERTON      
3449/1894    BOYCE    EDWARD I    JOSEPH    FRANCES    ADELONG   

10131/1896      BOYCE      FLORENCE M      JOSEPH      FANNY      ADELONG        
18614/1898    BOYCE    FANNY F F    JOSEPH    FANNY F F    ADELONG 

Newbe

[newbe_nz]

It is funny how women put different name down when registering their children

Then again it could be the husband who filled the forms in

Do you have either birth cert from New Zealand?
That might give a clue about the marraige.

Newbe

[Anderson]

No we haven't got any of the birth cert. of the boys born in NZ.