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POWELL Richard David
« on: Monday 08 June 09 15:54 BST (UK) »
Would anyone be kind enought to check this fellow out please. Richard David Powell b. 1870 Newbridge-on-wye. I found his on a census or two censuses, but dont know which one is correct.
He has a brother and father called Abraham



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Re: POWELL Richard David
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 11:27 BST (UK) »
think there are 2 different families in question here.

1871 Wain, Abbey Cwmhir RG10/5599 folio 32 pg 19
Abraham Powell head widower 71 farmer of 961 acres
Abraham son 40
Mary E daughter-in-law 32 b. Llanbister
Abraham grandson 12
Jane granddau 11
Evan grandson 8
mary E granddau 5
Ann granddau 3
John Kinsey Powell grandson 10 months
+ several servants
all born Abbey Cwmhir except where stated & no Richard David

and

1871 Llyswen, Trawscoed RG10/5600 folio 61 pg 12
Abraham Powell head mar 75 farmer of 55 acres b. Llanyre
Sarah wife 42 b. Nantmel
Richard son 7 months b. Llanyre
William Weale 26 farm servant b. Llandrindod
John Jones lodger 48 wheelwright b. Llanyre

1881 Golden Lion, Trawscoed, Newbridge on Wye RG11/5476 folio 61 pg 23
Sarah Powell head widow 50 retired b. St Harmon
Richard son 10 b. Llanyre
Thomas son 6 b. Llanyre

Birth cert might help
Richard Powell dec qtr 1870 Rhayader vol 11b pg 175

Heads of family, Abraham, and grandson Abraham all died between 1871 & 1881
Abraham Powell 17 dec qtr 1876 Rhayader vol 11b pg 105
Abraham Powell 81 june qtr 1878 Rhayader vol 11b pg 133
Abraham Powell 79 june qtr 1879 Rhayader vol 11b pg 134
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: POWELL Richard David
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 15:30 BST (UK) »
Hello osprey, thank you for answering my request. I am still confused. Are you saying that sarah age 42 who lived with the abraham in 1871 age 75 were married? I have found her living with abraham in these two censuses, but he was much younger than the one stated in 1871, this is how I became confused at the start, unless of course the enumerator wrote his age incorrectly.

1851
HO107/2494 Folio 206 Page 10
Abraham Powell 27
Sarah Powell 25
Abraham Powell 6
Elizabeth Powell    4
Mary Powell 2
William Powell 9 Mo
Jonathan Weale 26

1861
RG9/4238 Folio 68 Page 8
Abraham Powell 37
Sarah Powell 35
Abraham Powell 16
Mary Powell 13
John Powell 9
Emma Powell 6
Alice Powell 4
William H Powell 1
Jane Bowen 60 lodger, char woman
Jonathan Weale 36 lodger carpenter journeyman
Thomas Weale 46 brother shoemaker journeyman




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Re: POWELL Richard David
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 15:52 BST (UK) »
ok, I'm confused as well now. I transcribed the 1871 census and on that, Sarah was enumerated as Abraham's wife. I'll have another search.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: POWELL Richard David
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 16:23 BST (UK) »
well, it looks like there was more than one Abraham Powell married to a Sarah
 
1851 Llyswen, Trawscoed HO107/2494 folio 209 pg 17
Abraham Powell head mar 55 farmer of 35 acres b. Llanyre
Mary wife 52 b. Brecs, Llandinam
Margaret Powell sister-in-law widow 72 pauper formerly farmer b. Brecs, Llanavan(?)
William Weale 7 pauper b. Llanyre

there are definitely 2 separate farming families headed by an Abraham Powell. One at Wain, Abbey Cwmhir with many acres and several generations of Abraham - they had another son Abraham after one died in 1876.

And then there's the family of Abraham the shoemaker who don't have a son called Richard David on the 1871 census and aren't at Llyswen, either

1871 Sun Inn, Newbridge on Wye, Trawscoed RG10/5600 folio 63 pg 15
Abraham Powell head mar 47 shoemaker
Sarah wife 45
Elizabeth dau 24
John son 19
Emma dau 16
Alice dau 14
William Henry son 12
Penry son 8
Hariet Laura dau 2
Thomas Lloyd 25 shoemaker b. Colwin
all born Llanyre except where stated

there was another Abraham Powell death reg which probably accounts for the shoemaker
Abraham Powell 53 march qtr 1877 Rhayader 11b pg 124

This family is still in the Sun Inn in 1881 with Sarah as the innkeeper, no son called Abraham, no son called Richard. It's the page before the other Sarah with son Richard.

1901 334 Brithweunydd Rd, Llwynypia RG13/5018 folio 74 pg 45
David R Powell 30 boarder milk vendor b. Radnorshire, Newbridge

think you need Richard David Powell's birth or marriage certificate to confirm father's occupation, but suspect it was the correct family I gave you in my first post.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: POWELL Richard David
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 19:21 BST (UK) »
think you need Richard David Powell's birth or marriage certificate to confirm father's occupation,
Yep, I reckon I do too. Thank you very much osprey, I got really confused on this one.