1891 look up

[Jane MB]

I am trying to find JOHN MANLEY (b 1873 Hemyock Devon).
I have him as achild in devon but then nothing else.

I have found on free BMD a death in Pontypridd for JohnManley in 1891, Jun quarter,which is the correct age of 19 and correct area
At this time his brother William is in Llantrisant area, and later his other brothers come here (Tonyrefail). So I wondered if this might be him.

He may show up on the 1891 census. If anyone could look this up I would be really grateful. Also address and household details would be good as other relatives have tended to marry boarding provider family or lodgers.

Thanks very much

jane

[Welsh Jen]

I know you have asked for an 1891 census look up however you state you know nothing more on him around 1873+. It seems that John Manley was the step son of Henry Allens this information is within the 1881 UK census (Devon region)   

Dwelling:   Sheppards Valley
   Census Place:   Dunkeswell, Devon, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341514     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 2131    Folio 96    Page 8
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Henry ALLENS   M   50    M   Curry Mallett, Somerset, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Labourer (Ag)
Sarah ALLENS   M   42    F   Broadhembury, Devon, England
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Labourer Wife
Sarah ALLENS       15    F   Sheldon, Devon, England
   Rel:   Daughter
   Occ:   Labourer Daughter
John MANLEY       11    M   Hemyock, Devon, England
   Rel:   Stepson
   Occ:   Labourer Son
William ALLENS       7    M   Sheldon, Devon, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Emily ALLENS       5    F   Sheldon, Devon, England
   Rel:   Daughter
   Occ:   Scholar
Lousia ALLENS       3    F   Dunkeswell, Devon, England
   Rel:   Daughter
   Occ:   Scholar
Florence ALLENS       1    F   Dunkeswell, Devon, England
   Rel:   Daughter

From the census information it looks as though both the mother and step father were married before. I hope this additional information helps you in your search
Regards Jen 

[Jane MB]

Sorry
I should have clarified that I have him as a child, age 7, on the 1881 census.
He is living with his parents (John and Mary, still alive in 1891)and siblings in Hemyock Devon.
But from then on, I have not found him (no marriage etc). But I did find the death, and thus wondered about the Glamorgan link with the other brothers.

The others in Wales 1891 and/or 1901, are William, Tom, and Sidney Manley

so i dont think this is my John (also his dates are wrong)
Thanks
Jane

[Caswell]

If he was born in 1873 and was 7 in 1881 then wouldn't he  have been 17 in 1891 rather than 19?

I looked for a John Manley aged 16-20 in 1891, the only one I found born in Devon was a 17 year old John MANLY,   boarding in Eglwysilian in 1891. This one was recorded as being born Devon, Torquay..... so neither place of birth or spelling is a perfect match.

John Manly, 17, General Labourer, born Torquay, Devon

The address is "Green Grocers's Shop" Hamlet of Glyntaff, Pontypridd RSD, Eglwysilian.

The household consists of a family named Cooper and 4 boarders, all General Labourers. One of the other boarders was from Devon Torquay, a 22 year old named John Moore.

[SS from The Rhondda]

I am trying to find JOHN MANLEY (b 1873 Hemyock Devon).
I have him as achild in devon but then nothing else.

I have found on free BMD a death in Pontypridd for JohnManley in 1891, Jun quarter,which is the correct age of 19 and correct area
At this time his brother William is in Llantrisant area, and later his other brothers come here (Tonyrefail). So I wondered if this might be him.

He may show up on the 1891 census.

There are a number of MANLEY's listed in the burials of St Johns, Tonyrefail.
http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/tonfamhist/
including this one:
John MANLEY, died 9.5.1891 aged 17 Tonyrefail.

[Jane MB]

hello

The info of census 1891, does not convince me it is the same John. It seems unlikely that he would travel from Devon to Wales, and not be a coalminer like all his brothers?!
But, if he is the only one listed ......(do I assume it's him?).
Thanks for looking.

Thanks for the link to Tonyrefail info.
The dates for the death of a John, in 1891, agree with BMD and his age(17).
I have also found a second ref to the death of one of John's nephews (an older brother)and the birth (new) of another nephew from one of his younger brothers.

Thanks to you both.
Jane

[SS from The Rhondda]

I've come across another John MANLEY in 1891, aged 17:

RG12/4418 fol:70 sch:259
Brook St, Williamstown, Llantrisant, Glamorgan

BRAY James head mar 46 coker som
BRAY Jane wife mar 46 - dev
MANLEY William stpson unm 19 coal miner gla rhydfelin
MANLEY John stpson unm 17 engine cleaner gla rhydfelin
MANLEY James stpson unm 15 collier gla llantrisant
MANLEY Jane stpdau unm 12 - gla llantrisant
MANLEY Louisa stpdau unm 10 - gla llantrisant
MANLEY Henry stpson unm 8 - gla llantrisant
CHAMBERLAIN Sarah A servt unm 17 - gla ystradyfodwg