1886 - WILMSHURST Family onboard the "Aigburth"

[cando]

I can't see a death for Grace with parents Frederick and Mary Ann.  There is this infant death

2139/1906     
MURPHY     David    
Father David Mother Grace
District Mosman

Australian Electoral Rolls
1930
MURPHY David 32 Carlisle Street, Rose Bay  Agent
MURPHY Grace 32 Carlisle Street, Rose Bay  HD


Cando

[fridayjan]

Hi Cando,

I haven't had much time today, but have started to look through all the information that has been found for me.

You say that on the 1903 Electoral Roll, Frederick is listed as a Marble Mason - but I wonder if this could possibly have been Edgar, as Frederick is a Coach Builder in the later census'?  I'd presumed that Frederick, as the oldest son, might have been in a similar business to his father, who was a wheel wright.  Edgar moved to San Fransisco in 1905 and is there on the 1910 census before appearing back in the Sands NSW Directory in 1912.

I'm very tempted to send for some death certificates - especially Edgar with his inscription "accidentally killed"  and Jessie with her "dear mother".   It looks like there's a lot of information recorded on your Australian death certs!

Thanks again for all your help. 

Janet

[sparrett]

Hi Janet
Reply #8 and Reply #9

Which I posted indicate 2 different occupations for FREDERICK.

 They are  from Electoral Roll and Post Office Directory. We do not  have much censuss material available in Australia.

Sue

[fridayjan]

Hi Sue,

Sorry, it's me being confused again - I should have said Electoral Rolls rather than census!   

I did wonder if the "extra" Fred on the passenger list could be a cousin or nephew emigrating with the family, but I've had a look at the eight Frederick Wilmshurst's in my tree and think I've ruled them all out.  Mind you, as I'm going through all the information I found when I first started my tree two years ago, it's always possible that I may find another one who'd fit!

I'm definitely going to follow Cando's links and order the death certificate for Frederick Francis, which will hopefully give me the names of all his children.

The Stephen Wilmhurst Murphy you found certainly looks like he could fit.  You wouldn't believe the number of times the S in the middle gets missed out!  It's a fairly uncommon name in the my area of England and apart from immediate relatives, I'd never spoken to another Wilmshurst until a couple of weeks ago, when I made contact with a second cousin once removed.

Thanks again for your help,

Janet

[tropicalj]

Good Morning Janet

I  had  a search of  the State Records Office of NSW and there are a couple of entries  there

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

if you  do an an advanced  search on  the names Wilmshurst you  get three hits
including
In  the register of  firms  there is

page no 486
name of firm E WILMSHURST
nature of business Marble & Slate Works
place of business  136 George Street West Sydney 12 Apr 1904 name of person carrying out business WILMSHURST, Edgar


Jenn

[fridayjan]

Hi Jenn,

Good Morning!  Thanks for this - I hadn't seen this site before.  That looks like Edgar, just before he went off to San Francisco in 1905.  There also seems to be a Deceased Estates file for Frederick Francis which would be interesting.  I'll investigate that tomorrow.

I've just ordered the death certificates for Frederick Francis, Edgar and Jessie so will look forward to receiving them in a couple of weeks.

Off to bed now,

Janet

[tropicalj]

If you  would like  to  see the ships manifest for  the family's arrival in 1886
go to the Mariners in Australian Waters  site  and  search WILMHURST and you will  get  the details  down  the  bottom of  the page is a little red rectangle thingy saying "Scan" click on that and  the copy of  the manifest appears,

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/search.htm

Jenn

[tropicalj]

Did you used transcription agent for the certificates?  If  so  they will email  the certifcates  to you  in  you  request  that as well

Jenn

[tropicalj]

There also  appears  to be Wilmshurst?Wilmhurst in South Australia


And   a rather interesting article in NSW
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/710136?searchTerm=wilmshurst

the gest of  which  was  that Joseph Wilmshurst and his father inlaw Frederick Furber  were killed  by "blacks" in 1855
Jenn