Cannot decipher place of birth 1861 census

[ptdrifter]

I have tried and tried to work out the place of birth on this image, all I can see is the last part "Mole of Genoa" .
I have asked before on other boards but one last try please .... anyone ?

[CaroleW]

Hi

Can you give us the persons name and the RG piece/folio and page number so we can look it up ourselves

[AMBLY]

Joseph John BUSH - 1861
1861 RG9 /271 168

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,278083.0.html
Mole of Genoa is part of a Harbour there?
So looks like it could be translated as  ?  "(name of a Harbour town) , Mole of Genoa"

Cheers
AMBLY

[ptdrifter]

yep will do

Joseph John Bush b 1815  

Tower Hamlets Whitechapel Middlesex

RG9/271 168 p 9

[ptdrifter]

you beat me to it Ambly
 yes i am pretty sure it is a name of somewhere in the harbour , but I cannot see it on any old maps, gazetters etc .
Joseph is noted as a Brotish Subject born in Italy, but that's as far as I can get

[AMBLY]

Hi

I did toy with the idea of the town named Pomaretto,  but it's in in Torino, Piemont and a ways futher inland from Genoa. and I would have though, if one was trying to 'explain' the location of Pomaretto on a Census by writing the name of a more 'well known' town/area  nearby,  one would write Torino and not Genoa.......

On seeing the references to the "Mole of Genoa" and understanding the British Royal Navy connections to it (Horatio Nelson being one!)  I have to say, I might imagine the mystery word is the name of a ship on which his father was serving RN, and which was on/in  the Mole of Genoa at the time.

I wonder if it is worth posting this message on the Armed Services board (if that's the right one) to see if there might be a way of establishing ships RN ships which may have been in Genoa regions circa 1861?

Cheers
AMBLY


http://www.archive.org/stream/onboardrocket00adamrich/onboardrocket00adamrich_djvu.txt
(Mole of genoa) "It is situated at the head of the Gulf of Genoa,
and at the centre of an amphitheatre of high hills,
which rise quite abruptly from the sea. On either
hand the mountainous coast stretches away in a vast
semi-circle beyond the range of vision. The snow
capped Apennines tower behind and around it,
making a noble background to the beautiful picture.
The city itself rises on the steep hills, whose tops
for seven miles are lined with forts, so that from
the sea almost every street can be seen, and the
tall houses and palaces mount one above the other,
giving one an impression that a slight convulsion
might send them all sliding down into the sea".

"The harbor, or mole, is formed by a sea-wall
extending across the semi-circle made by the imme-
diate hills, securing anchorage where the vessels
moor stem and stern with their own anchors".


"must tell you that the Mole of Genoa is semicircular,
all the land rises in hills and terraces from the water, and the ship
lay in that part of the semicircle next the Porta della Lanterna, and
not above 300 to 400 yards from the whole field"

[ptdrifter]

Hi Ambly thanks for the reply .
I did find this, and the date of 1815 matches his birthdate.

Will post  a request on the armed svscs board

"GENOA
 Following the defeat of Napoleon in the spring of 1814, local elites, encouraged by the British agent Lord William Bentinck proclaimed the restoration of the old Republic, but it was decided at the Congress of Vienna that Genoa should be given to the Kingdom of Sardinia. British troops suppressed the republic in December of 1814, and it was annexed by Sardinia on January 3, 1815."

[Isabel H]

 "Pomer into Mole of Genoa"?
There is a village called Pomer, near Pula in Croatia.
Is it possible this person was born aboard a ship in the vicinity of Pomer, with the Mole of Genoa its next port of call?