Lost family member in Manchester area

[Mr. MIGKY]

Hi i think i need a sort of scavenger hunt on this man?

Name: Leonard Madden born Sept 1/4 1889 Salford.
Parents: William Patrick Madden & Catherine Leonard.
Catherine died 1896 and William remarried to a Mary Duffy later that same year. MANCESTHER
He had two sister Catherine & Mary Ann Madden.
I have him & his parents on the 1891 & 1901 census. MANCHESTER

I also found him in 1911 living in THE IMPERIAL MEN'S HOME LODGING HOUSE,1 NAIL STREET ROCHDALE ROAD MANCHESTER. His occupation at the time was "NEWSVENDOR" The home was for men who were down and out on there luck. They offered  men a bed and some sort of work, chopping fire wood , selling newspaper and such work.
His sister later married and is living in Heelis street, Collyhurst 1912 which is just a couple of streets from where Leonard Madden is in the mens lodging house at that time.
He is still at the mens lodging house when he joins the army in 1915. He is discharged not long after as been unsuitable to be coming an officiant soldier ( this could well mean he was unfit, flat feet or poor eye sight or even rickets. It was early days in ww1 and they were picky at first but later on in the war would take anyone) His sister now married waslisted as next of kin but named as Kathleen & not Catherine but she was known by both names.
That is the last trace of Leonard Madden i have. I have checked out for any marriages and death but with no luck. The only ones i could find is for him marring a Elsie HAMMERSLEY in 1925 Oldham and a death for Leonard Madden 1919 Blackburn , both of these are not the Leonard Madden i am looking for.
He seems to have dropped of the planet. I can find no trace of him?Any help greatfully received.

Migky 



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[emmsthheight]

Hi Migky

looks like clutching at straws, but he isn't on CWGC or the medal cards reenlised is he?  Possibly separate record - I know as you said they were fussy early on, but some men who were turned down were conscripted,  later, fit or not.

Or passenger lists leaving Britain?

Electoral registers?

Just a thought!

Best wishes

Emms

[Mr. MIGKY]

Hi Emms, thanks for the reply but i have check as much as i can of the list you suggested a long time back with no luck i am afraid.
As for the Electoral registers? You really don't stand much of a chance trying to find some one with out an address. There are none on line and so by checking them in Manchester central library would take for ever. They are listed in order of streets and not by persons name. But thanks any way.
Migky 

[emmsthheight]

Hi Migky

Yes, I'd forgotten, the problem you'd have in somewhere as big as Manchester..That's where we score woith being in a smaller town.  Tne layout seems to vary too, so it's not too bad to look at.

I'd forgotten, I once emailed them for a look-up even with an address, ad because there were three streets with the same name, I had to choose one, even though two of them were two ends of the same street!

So I dodn't get my info!

Good luck anyway!

Emms

[goldy]

Mig on findmypast there is a William Maden born manchester  listed as died in the Great War 1914-1919 says he residence in hulme. could he have reenlisted?

[heywood]

Hi MIGKY,

did you follow up the Blackburn death? He is the right age and I can't see another Leonard Madden in censuses or births 

heywood

sorry- I can see that you say he isn't the one you need 

[emmsthheight]

Hi Migky

I'd love us to get to the bottom of this one for you.

Can I ask if you know where your Leonard Madden came from?

I'm only asking because before I read any of your extra information, as soon as I saw your names, Madden, Leonard and Duffy, my immediate reaction was Irish, in Rochdale area, and the particular tribe I'm thinking of had connections in Blackburn, Burnley and other towns further inland.  Some also went to Manchester.

I had some grave entries for Heywoood and these names featured on the little area plan for those close by.

I never got to the bottom of it.  There were always loads of them together and they intermarried.  I did find one Madden marriage in St Patrick's RC Rochdale - goodness knows where I put it!

Mainly though, I wondered if with him being so down on his luck, might he have gone back to where he had earlier connections.  Then the age on the Blackburn death fitted so well.  It would be where he died, not necessarily where he was living.

I guess it sounds out of the question, though.

I do have some Maddens alive in 1953, but not Leonard.  I could send the list if it kight give any clues.

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

Hi Migky

I hardly dare say this, but there are only five Leonard Maddens on the 1911 Census.  The other four are ten years old and younger.  So we're lacking another Leonard to die in Blackburn. 

Of course another one could have come ovewr from Ireland or down from Scotland in the next few years.

Interestingly, there is a ten year old in Oldham of the right name, so he could account for your marriage and rule out your Leonard from that.

That leaves a five year old in Chorton, a four year old in Huddersfield and a three year old in Lambeth.

Of course I haven't checked all spellings.

Just a thought!

Emms

[emmsthheight]

PS No Leonard Maddens in Ireland in 1911 so far. 

All the counties are covered but they have still to add any entries submitted in the Irish language, and a few other bits.

It's worth a look for anyone reading with ancestors in Lancashire as so many had links to Ireland.  It's all free - search, results, scans of originals and trawling families by streets!

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

Best wishes

Emms

Modified: Some counties are missing: See Argadowey's update today - so Leonard Madden could be hiding.!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,395632.0.html