hello barbara,many thanks for that.looking at the census,this archibald grey appears to be the only one born right time,and just about everything points towards him,but there are things that make me doubt.there are two deaths registered in swansea for an archibald grey,one born about 1853,the other 1854.i couldnt get the refs earlier as it stuck,so ill have another look now.id be very intrested in the martha clarke info,please would you tell me how id access that,thanks,nel.