Groundwater family - Aberdeen to York County Toronto Canada

[Lisa in California]

Debbie mentioned a pay for information site, which reminded me of
http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/index.html

It appears that there are two Groundwaters arriving in 1870: Jas. and William.  Jas. was born c1844; William was born c1851.

It also lists marriage records for Alexander Lyall, John, Sarah and Watson.

[Lisa in California]

This site has some earlier births, marriages and deaths for Ontario.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/
(I haven't checked to see if there are any Groundwaters.)

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=3283671&pid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=groundwater
Some marriages

[Meg jr]

Hello Lisa and Debbie - what can I say, except a VERY BIG THANK YOU. I will study all the sites you mention in my search for Jane's death/burial.

Alexander is a bookkeeper. How strange they were neighbours of your family Lisa.

Hugh is a mystery also. He was born 1856 Ireland, but is he the son of Alexander I wonder. No birth records for Ireland that early and not knowing where in Ireland he was born may never find out.

I believe that James was their brother Debbie. Thank you for finding him.

All just wonderful, I will enjoy looking at all the sites and checking for Groundwaters.

Thank you very much

Meg

[Jacquie in Canada]

I'm wondering if this could be Hugh on the 1901 England census in Barrow in Furness, Lancashire:

Hugh Groundwater, head, 43, mechanical engineer, born Ireland
Mary I Groundwater, wife, 36, born Workington, Cumberland
Atholl H Groundwater, son, 9 months, born Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Jane Pears, mother-in-law, 69, born Workington, Cumberland 
Francis Harvey, boarder, 48, carter, born Ireland 
Mary A Brocklebank, boarder, 45, hawker, born Ireland
(Piece: 4011; Folio: 101; Page: 29)

There is a marriage for Hugh Groundwater that has a Mary Isabella Pears on the same page in the FreeBMD that was registered in second quarter of 1898 in Barrow in Furness, Cumbria, Lancashire (Volume: 8e, Page: 1600) and a death for Hugh Groundwater, 59, that was registered in the third quarter of 1913 in Barrow in Furness, Cumbria, Lancashire (Volume: 8e, Page: 922).

It looks like Athol died shortly after the census was taken as his death was registered as follows:

Athol Maud Groundwater, under 1 year, second quarter of 1901 in Barrow in Furness, Cumbria, Lancashire (Volume: 8e, Page: 565).

The 1911 England census has the family as follows:

27 Arthur Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire

Hugh Groundwater, head, 49, general labourer, born Banjor, Ireland
Mary I Groundwater, wife, 45, born Workington, Cumberland
Mabel Groundwater, daughter, 9, born Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Annie Groundwater, daughter, 6, born Barrow in Furness, Lancashire

Jacquie

[Meg jr]

Jacquie you are an absolute star! this is the family. 1911 - of course, should have thought of that. Banjor I think is going to Bangor County Down. This is wonderful as I now can perhaps track down a baptism. The question still is, what was the family doing there. I wonder if they sailed from Scotland for Canada and the ship docked in Ireland and the baby was born. Did Jane die at this time!

Still lots of questions, but so many have many have been answered by the kindness of Rootschatters.

Thank you very very much

best wishes Meg

[J.J.]

If she had Hugh in Ireland, and died in childbirth, her records could be there as well...

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1207596135593#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
There is a marriage for a William in 1853 Ireland, not in Down, but Clare or Limerick...No other info given...Could this have been Alexander's brother, William Lyell Groundwater?

Some of William lyell Groundwater's inventions
1857  http://books.google.ca/books?id=uEcEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=%22lyell+groundwater%22#
1869  http://books.google.ca/books?id=lX4hVcWiR-4C&pg=PA241&lpg=PA241&dq=william+lyell+groundwate#


another rootschatter on Alexander & Jane
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=399d927fcc37f8a07d049646a14a0803&topic=341718.0
and another:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,115054.0.html

and Elenore Lyell's family: http://patstedman.bravepages.com/groundwat/pafg01.htm#6C

[J.J.]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E01E5D8163CEE34BC4E53DFB667838C649FDE
Watson's arrival in New York 1857

[Meg jr]

Hello J J, I cannot thank you enough for the information you have found on the Groundwaters. William does fit in and am now wondering if he left Scotland for Ireland before living in the south of England. All very interesting.

The inventions are great also.

To have the 1857 date for Watson is also helpful, to pin down when Alexander left Ireland. I would think he was travelling to be with his brother.

All wonderful. A Very Big Thank YOU.

Meg
 

[J.J.]

You are most welcome...Have combed through available sites for Alexander's arrival...but nothing came up, sorry...

1887 - a Watson Groundwater and a Robert Lyell, directors, ATTAREE KHAT TEA COMPANY LTD. ( Tea from India & Ceylon)
http://www.archive.org/stream/teaproducingcomp00gowwrich/teaproducingcomp00gowwrich_djvu.txt
Hmmmm...http://www.drugs-plaza.com/herbals_khat.php

I guess Watson must have ended up in London as well...http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/burials/RegList.asp?P=258&S=&O=