Brickwall in Sussex - Helena Lorraine Lovekin

[kerryb]

Hi Lizzie

How many variations have we got now then:

Lovekin
Luffkin
Lufkin
Lupkin

It gets worse!   

Kerry

[lizzieloop]

How about:

Lopkin
Lofkin
Luffkin

 

L xx

[rumbolds]

HELLO  KERRY

E-MAIL  IS  NOT  MY  BEST  SUBJECT  BUT  IM  DOING  MY  BEST

I  THINK  EMILY  SMITH  AND  EMILY  LOVEKIN  COULD  BE
ONE  OF  THE  SAME  PERSON,  MY  CONNECTION  TO
LOVEKIN  AND SMITH  IS.

SAMUEL  PAGDEN  MY  GT  GT  GRANDFATHER  BORN
3 - 11 - 1954,  NEWICK.  SUSSEX,  DIED  12 - 12 - 1876
MAYFIELD.  SUSSEX.  SON  OF  JAMES  AND  SOPHIA  PAGDEN  NEE  SIMMONDS,  SAMUEL  WAS  ONE  OF  SEVERAL  CHILDREN.

THE  CHILDREN  OF  SAMUEL  AND  EMILY  PAGDEN  NEE
LOVEKIN  OR  SMITH,  AND  EDWIN  AND  EMILY  HAFFENDEN
NEE  LOVEKIN  OR  SMITH.  ARE  AS  FOLLOW'S.

MARY  ANN  FLORENCE  PAGDEN   BN  1873 
D.  14 - 3 - 1874  MAYFIELD
WILLIAM  SAMUEL  PAGDEN  MY  GT  GT  GRANDFATHER
BN  1 - 4 - 1875  MAYFIELD.  M  2 - 6 - 1900  BEXHILL.
D  19 - 1 - 1942  NEWICK
EDWIN  THOMAS  HAFFENDDEN  BN  12 - 4 - 1878   BURWASH
EMILY  ELIZABETH  HAFFENDEN  BN  4 - 1 - 1881
WARTLING
GEORGE  HENRY  HAFFENDEN  BN  24 - 9 - 1883  WARTLING
EDITH  FLORENCE  HAFFENDEN  BN  28 - 8 - 1886  WARTLING
JAMES  HAFFENDEN  BN  18 - 1 - 1888  WARTLING
ALBERT  VICTOR  HAFFENDEN  BN  1 - 6 - 1897
BODLE  STREET  GREEN
ALICE  MABEL  HAFFENDEN  BT  11 - 6 - 1898
BODLE  STREET  GREEN

SOMETIMES  THE  MOTHERS  NAME  ON  THE  BIRTH 
CERTIFICATE'S  IS  GIVEN  AS  PAGDEN  OR  LOVEKIN
OR  SMITH  OR  LATE  PAGDEN

POSSIBLY  HELENA  LORRAINE  LOVEKIN  AND  EMILY
LOVEKIN  OR  SMITH  COULD  BE  SISTER'S  OR  COUSIN'S.

MY  MOTHER  AND  HER  SISTER'S  HAD  SKIN  VERY  SIMILAR
TO  GISPY  SKIN  COLOUR.

IM  INTERESTED  ON  ANY  INFORMATION  ON  PAGDEN
LOVEKIN  OR  SMITH

RUMBOLDS

[kerryb]

Hello rumbolds

Sorry I meant to answer you after the information you put on another post about the same family.   I have so many strands on the go at the moment I am getting bogged down!!!

I think it is likely that Emily Haffenden nee Lovekin or Smith is the older sister of Helena nee Lovekin or Smith.  I think I have just about proved that the Stanford bit was the maiden name of their mother Emily but so far have only managed to find evidence of one of the children being registered as born and find one birth cert.  I wonder if the Lovekin comes from John Smith's mother.  If they are gypsies they often took a matriachal name. 

I will take your information and see if I can match it with my Emily.  I will let you know what I find!

Kerry

[colinceejay]

my name is colin haffenden and my family were from Ashburnham in east sussex.
my family tree includes Edwin haffenden

[kerryb]

Hi everyone

Just thought I would update this thread as I have just had a major breakthrough in my brickwall, all these years later and I now know where the Lovekin name comes from and just in case it is useful to anyone else:

I will try to be brief:

Emily Stanford, mother of Helena Lorraine.  Ancestry trees had me believing for a long time that she was born 1833, Horsham backed up by all census returns and therefore daughter of Isaac and Mary Stanford in Horsham.  A few years ago I felt uneasy about this because I found Emily with her father in Horsham on the 1861 census which did not makes sense if she was having children over in East Sussex.

He died before 1871 and she was in the Union Workhouse for 1871 which meant if it was her, she appeared 3 times on the census, 1 in Horsham and 2 in Punnetts Town, see page 1 of this chat.  Impossible!  Also both those Horsham census returns state she was deaf and dumb.  I put it aside for a few years.

Then when the 1921 census came out I found Emily with one of her daughters, however she was called Amy!  Oh!

So I did a search a few weeks ago for Amy Stanford born in Horsham 1833 and lo and behold I found her baseborn to Ann Stanford.  Today I had a spare half an hour and decided to do a bit more searching and then my eureka moment!  Ann married later in 1833 to George Lovekin! So that's where the name came from.  Emily's stepfather!

Now I just need to find Emily, I found her on the 1841 census away from her family with a couple who as far as I know are unconnected, George and Mary Lintott.  But I still haven't found her on the 1851 census.  My search continues.

I just wanted to tell that to people who understand as my other half has just glazed over with that look, you know the one we genealogists get a lot!  LOL

Kerry 

[trish1120]

Well done Kerry.
An amazing result after all this time.

I guess you have found George Lovekin was buried 28 May 1848 age 42?
Bapt Horsham 12 Nov 1809 to William/Mary?
(FreeREG)


Birth Reg
LOVEKIN, CHARLES mmn STANFORD 
GRO Reference: 1840  M Quarter in HORSHAM UNION  Volume 07  Page 352
Death Reg
LOVEKIN, CHARLES age 1 
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in HORSHAM UNION  Volume 07  Page 256

Trish

[trish1120]

William Penfold 60
Lucy Penfold 50
Sarah Penfold 18
George Loockin 30
Ann Loockin 30
George Loockin 7
Charles Loockin   1

1851 Census
Elizabeth Cooper 60 Head
Ann Loockin 39 Lodger Widow born Rudgwick, Sussex
George Loockin   16 Lodger
John Whittington 40 Lodger born Horsham born Slinfold

Ann married John W    29 Feb. 1852, her Father JOHN Stanford a Labourer.
Ann also got 1 mth for larceny 1847

Sorry if you have already found all of this.

Trish

[kerryb]

Hi Trish, thank you I've found that.  Loockin, another variation to add to the list!  Haha 

And Emily had two little step brothers Charles and George.  Nice!

Now what I am stuck on is Ann's baptism, according to the census returns should be 1812 in Rudgwick.  Not there.  There is a Sarah born in 1809 to John and Amy Stanford in Rudgwick.  It's that name again - Amy.  Could they be her parents?  Trouble is, Stanford like Lovekin is spelt in multiple ways.

Kerry