Newbiggin?

[castana1985]

There is a marriage for a Mary Jane Richardson, Sept q, 1906, Newcastle, v 10b p 53

Nothing for a Miles but she might have used her married name.

Sadly, the men mentioned are William Collins and John Burn - not a Seymour in sight


Gadget

Wonder what Mary Ann's maiden name was?

Found a Mary Main? Jane Cuthbert Berwick m 1877

OH DEAR.... its getting way too late for me.... I'm looking for a mary jane and should have been looking for mary ann!!!

[Gadget]

If you go back to the 1881, you could check the ages of the children and then use the BTS:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;t=browsable;w=0;p=collectionDetails


to see if you can get a baptism or a possible marriage.


Also check FreeBMD for Alexander marrying a Mary Ann 1870-1881 and birth reg of children


Gadget


PS - i think it's time for sleep now 

[Gadget]

As we're throwing ideas about, here's some possible births for a Jane Richardson:

Elizabeth Jane - Sep q,1892, Castle Ward v 10b p 333
Elizabeth Jane Sep q, 1893, Morpeth, v 10b p 414
Jane  Jun q, 1894, Morpeth, v 10b p 409
Margaret Jane Mar q, 1895, Morpeth, v 10b p 383
Jane Mar q, 1898, Morpeth, v 10b p 393


There are a few others that you can find  but these look the most promising



Gadget

[castana1985]

Think I've found john Richardson in 1911!
He's listed as a boarder aged 24 born Newbiggin on Sea (transcribed as Newlegin by Sea) working as a coalminer.
He's living with a J H Sterry married aged 34 a coalminer b. Gloucester
his wife Elizabeth Sterry aged 30 b. Bedlington
Their children Violet aged 8 b. Gosforth
Edith aged 5 b. Gosforth and
Henry aged 3 b. Gosforth.
Living at 37 Ashfield Road, Gosforth in Castle Ward.

[Gadget]

About 15 mins walk from me

Click for Map Location of Ashfield Road



Note:

and the death of an Alexander Richardson, aged 44, Sept q, 1900, Castle Ward, v. 10b p 213

Though where John Seymour, snr and jnr come in, I do not know   Also - why would he move from Gosforth to Lancashire 1911-1913?


Gadget

[castana1985]

A misdemeanor, maybe?? Something serious enough to move area and change his name?
I wonder if there was anything in the papers about a John Richardson!

I've tried searching for John Seymour with father John... and can't find anything around Newbiggin.
Also, its funny how there was a family story which came from John's son.. that his own father had changed his name... from Ritchie?
They also thought that John was still alive when his wife Mary Jane Sidlow/nee Ashworth died in 1925.

John's age on the 1891 and 1911 census also leads to him being born between April 1886 - 1887.
It will be interesting to see if there is a john richardson born at Newbiggin?
The trouble is, the Morpeth register office, keep sending the cheques back and i have to send them back again! ??

Like you said, there were so many 'untruths' its hard to know which is fact... and where to base the search?

Would be remarkable though if this John Richardson turns out to be my hubbies gt. Grandfather... who lived just 15 mins away from you!! 

Tracy

[Gadget]

Any chance he might have been Richardson rather than Richie? Witness at his marriage was Jane Richardson.

There is a birth registration in 1885 - John Richardson, September quarter, Morpeth 10b page 359

Newbiggin was in the Morpeth registration district.

Who were this one's parents?

I'm not up on the history of the  coal mines of South Northumberland/Gosforth area but could the one that John worked at have been exhausted and he moved to Failsworth?

I have many mining ancestors who moved from North Wales to Staffordshire to West Yorks, etc. because of such closures.


Gadget

[castana1985]

Any chance he might have been Richardson rather than Richie? Witness at his marriage was Jane Richardson.

There is a birth registration in 1885 - John Richardson, September quarter, Morpeth 10b page 359

Newbiggin was in the Morpeth registration district.

Who were this one's parents?

I'm not up on the history of the  coal mines of South Northumberland/Gosforth area but could the one that John worked at have been exhausted and he moved to Failsworth?

I have many mining ancestors who moved from North Wales to Staffordshire to West Yorks, etc. because of such closures.


Gadget

Gadget,

There is a John Richardson and a John William Richardson both b. Morpeth Sept Q 1885, but the man at Morpeth said neither were born in Newbiggin!

I have two cheques with the Morpeth Register office and told them the story with my application form.
The thing I'm not sure about is whether we stick to a John Richardson (as there doesn't seem to be any Ritchies around this time) born in Newbiggin and give it a wider time frame... or we are better sticking to the Aug 1885 date and see which John Richardson's fit the bill?
There are other John Richardsons born between 1886 -1887 in Morpeth too.

The surname the family have maintained over the years was Ritchie... but as there was a Jane Richardson at John's wedding it makes sense that it could have been Richardson.

If John did lie about his age for his wedding (as we know Mary Jane Sidlow did - she was 33 in 1911... then she was only 30 when they married!).. then there might just be a John Richardson born in Newbiggin the year after??

Not sure about when the pits starting to disappear? Moving to Manchester would make sense, but there must have been a reason for changing his name!

Tracy

[castana1985]

Have found a Jane Ann Richardson 42, widow living at 56 Henry Street, Gosforth in 1901 with son John aged 15. Not sure whether these are the right ones? but would fit in with Alexander dying in 1900.
They are living with Jane's sister Mildred Kell aged 32.

Just thought if Mary Jane had changed her name to Jane Ann... then she could possibly be the witness??

Tracy