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Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« on: Sunday 02 August 09 20:24 BST (UK) »
 

Having drawn a blank with the 1911 Census on my PHILLIPS family...I'm wondering what other paths to pursue...

On checking the 1901 Census for Wales again, I see that James, (born Milford, Pembroke in 1864) and Sarah Ann Phillips , (née Rees, born Morriston, 1862) were living at 27 Llangyfelach Road, Swansea, (with children, David 11yrs, William George 9yrs, and John 6yrs). Their eldest child, Evan Rees Phillips, 13yrs was staying with his Grandparents, Evan and Margaret Rees, in Brynforgan Terrace on Census night.

I'm unsure whether James Phillips would have been eligible to vote in 1911, - if he was, then I might be able to find an address on the Electoral Rolls. Its a long time since I studied 'A' Level C19th History... ;D, but I think that you had to be a Householder at that time to have the vote(?). I would assume that James Phillips would have been renting...& so would he have been able to vote?

Is there anyone on here who knows what the criteria would have been? Or who can suggest other means of tracing this family? (They were my Great Uncle & Aunt).

I am running out of ideas... ::)

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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 August 09 20:52 BST (UK) »
yes, he would, if he paid rent of £10 a year or more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1884
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Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 August 09 09:15 BST (UK) »
yes, he would, if he paid rent of £10 a year or more

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1884

Thanks for that Osprey,

I will see if the West Glamorgan Archives can help any further with this.

Cheers, Romilly.
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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 August 09 12:36 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I put a search into the 1911 census for Sarah ann Phillips born at Morriston, and there was one living in Swansea born in 1862.

Thanks,

Darin.
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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 August 09 17:44 BST (UK) »
Don't forget that a limited number of women were registered to vote too, they were householders mainly widows who had inherited property, and could vote in local elections only.
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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 August 09 18:35 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I put a search into the 1911 census for Sarah ann Phillips born at Morriston, and there was one living in Swansea born in 1862.
Thanks,
Darin.

Hi Darin,

Thanks for looking for me :)

I looked at that one too, - & paid for the transcript, but sadly its the wrong one :(

That one has:

PHILLIPS, JOHN     HEAD     MARRIED         M     46     Occupation: SHEARER     Born CARMARTHEN  AMMANFORD 
          
PHILLIPS, SARAH ANN    WIFE    MARRIED    25    F    49    -   Born GLAMORGAN MORRISTON
      
With children:  MARGARET ANN, MORGAN JOHN, and GEORGE Phillips.
          
And EVANS, ANN    AUNT    WIDOW       F    71    Born   CARMARTHEN LLANDILO

Whereas, My Sarah Ann Phillips was married to James Phillips, Born Milford, Pembroke, Occupation: Tinworker, & had children: Evan, David, William George and John.

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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 August 09 20:43 BST (UK) »
Don't forget that a limited number of women were registered to vote too, they were householders mainly widows who had inherited property, and could vote in local elections only.

Yes, I was going to look for James Phillips initially. (I don't think that women got the vote until 1928?).

However, the Electoral Rolls are apparantly only searchable by address, not by name:-(

And so I'm guessing that all I would be able to find...is when they disappear from 27 Llangyfelach Road, Swansea; (which is where they were on the 1901 Census for Wales).

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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 September 09 10:55 BST (UK) »
Further to my last post,

I have now been able to establish that my Great Uncle, James Phillips died (aged 42yrs) in 1906, and that his widow, Sarah Ann Phillips arrived in New York, USA in May 1907, with her sons David and William George Phillips.

Evan Rees Phillips and John Phillips joined them in 1910, & the family lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA.

Luckily I found this out before taking the Electoral Rolls approach! ;D ;D

Romilly :)
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Re: Would a TinWorker be eligible to vote in 1911?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 September 09 18:32 BST (UK) »
Looks like Evan died in Glen, Wisconsin in 1972. Have you seen that record? I'll send it to you in case you haven't had it.

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