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Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« on: Monday 10 August 09 16:11 BST (UK) »
When I got my 3x great grandmother's birth certificate I thought that it said her mother was Charlotte Jones formerly Wap. When I went to look in the PR's for the marriage in Kirby I found one with the right groom's names and right date but James Jones marrying a Charlotte Wass. The archivist thought it was Wass too. This was an 1835 marriage.
On the 1841 census HO107 piece 338 folio 9 page 13 the family has a James Wass living with them. Looking on the IGI/censuses Wap is very unusual - Wass occurs more. I couldn't find a baptism for Charlotte either to help .

I'm attaching a bit of the birth certificate. Do people think it is Wass or Wap? I think the census says Wass (not that I know who James Wass is yet  :) ().
Anybody heard of either surname in Essex? Neither sounds very English...
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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 August 09 16:16 BST (UK) »
Hi :)

I think it is the old way of writing double s, so I would take it to be Wass.

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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 August 09 16:21 BST (UK) »
Agree with Evie  ;)

It is W A then a long S (which looked more like an f) followed by a short S

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I have to find two more!

SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham - all link to  Framlingham 
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally Framlingham/Parham)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert & Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith LDN - Fulker
LDN/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
 
GGfather Michael Wilson born Cork, lived Fulham London - moved to Boston USA 1889, what happened next?

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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 August 09 16:29 BST (UK) »
The Surnames Profiler web site http://www.britishsurnames.co.uk/ gives the name WASS as of English origin, in 1881 based on the Census returns, the most Wass families were in Yorkshire, with Lincolnshire, Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire following.  Essex had the fifth largest population with that name in 1881 at 121.

I did notice further down the list that 44 had strayed into Suffolk - I thought I had heard this name before  ;D

Pat ...
Every time I find an ancestor,
I have to find two more!

SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham - all link to  Framlingham 
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally Framlingham/Parham)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert & Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith LDN - Fulker
LDN/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
 
GGfather Michael Wilson born Cork, lived Fulham London - moved to Boston USA 1889, what happened next?

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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 August 09 16:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the replies, I think Charlotte will go on my tree as Wass. I typed Wap into that surnames websites and they had no data. ;) Now just to work where she was baptised next time I get to the records office!
Rolph/Bird/Hilliard Writtle & Highwood Essex
Lister/Fitch/Kitteridge/Coote  Ashdon Essex
Coote Castle Camps Essex
Jones Kirby le Soken Essex
Kinch London/Swanbourne Bucks/Oxon
Burt Winfrith Newburgh, Dorset
Smith/Bant  Birmingham
Weatherill London/York
Hill/Habershon Sheffield
Roberts - London
Stringer - Leicester
Frost Castleton Derbys
Hall Wirksworth Derby
Allcock/Parkes Calton, Staffs
Meisenheimer Germany
Crossley/Adams Hidcote, Gloucs
R(o)ycroft Brown Malpas
Pratley BurfordOx

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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 August 09 16:43 BST (UK) »
I agree it's the old fashioned writing of double 'ss'" and it's definitely WASS in my mind too
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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 August 09 19:50 BST (UK) »
I have a Wass from Yorkshire connected to a family that I am researching here in Canada. In case there is any relation I will provide the following: Ann Wass b. 15 June 1825 Towthorpe d. 27 Dec 1893 Durham, Glenelg, Canada. Her parents were Samuel Wass and Sarah Hawkwell from Yorkshire.  Ann married Jabez Banks 17 Aug 1844 Wharram Percy. Jabez b. 2 Sep 1822 Towthorpe, Wharram Percy, Yorkshire d. 4 Apr 1902 Durham, Glenelg, Canada. Immaterial to you, their daughter Sarah Elizabeth Banks happened to marry James Staples in Canada whose line I am researching. Cheers.

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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 30 August 09 21:00 BST (UK) »
If I turn up any Yorkshire links with my Wass family I will let you know.
Rolph/Bird/Hilliard Writtle & Highwood Essex
Lister/Fitch/Kitteridge/Coote  Ashdon Essex
Coote Castle Camps Essex
Jones Kirby le Soken Essex
Kinch London/Swanbourne Bucks/Oxon
Burt Winfrith Newburgh, Dorset
Smith/Bant  Birmingham
Weatherill London/York
Hill/Habershon Sheffield
Roberts - London
Stringer - Leicester
Frost Castleton Derbys
Hall Wirksworth Derby
Allcock/Parkes Calton, Staffs
Meisenheimer Germany
Crossley/Adams Hidcote, Gloucs
R(o)ycroft Brown Malpas
Pratley BurfordOx

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Re: Wap or Wass surname on birth certificate?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 31 August 09 00:45 BST (UK) »
Thanx Hazel. Likewise. Cheers, Golfer.
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