Annie65115's Scavenger Hunt..Everyone Welcome To Join In.

[Spidermonkey]

William Kilner mar Edna Minnis  Dec qtr 1880 Nottingham 7b 526

[jaywit]

I think that Florence may be a red herring, possibly the enumerator going a bit mad with his dittos. I don't think we have any chance of finding out who she was.

[jaywit]

Annie   I would put a thread up on the Nottinghamshire lookup requests to see if anyone can find a marriage for Joseph Kilner and Mary, you know he was in Leicester in 1832, so it should be between then and 1837.

[Annie65115]

Hello again everyone

The divorce papers for Thomas and Eveline Kilner arrived in my inbox and if nothing else transpires from this hunt, that alone will have been worth it.

Re the Joseph Kilner in Nottingham, I will certainly see what I can find out there -- but if it is "my" Joseph, and if he moved to Nottinghamd and had another family there, why would he go back to the workhouse in Leicester rather than the Nottingham workhouse?

I have some CDs from the Notts FHS - shall go and have a poke around and see if I can find anything --

[Annie65115]

And here I am again!

The Notts baptism CD shows the following children of Joseph and Mary Kilner:

John bapt 1836, abode Brooks St Notts St mary, father's occupation FWK
William bapt 1840, abode Charles St, FWK
Ann bapt 1845, abode workhouse, father pauper
John bapt 1846 (born 1836), abode workhouse, father pauper
William bapt 1846 (born 1840), abode workhouse, pauper
Emily 1854, Watt St, FWK

No marraige for Joseph and Mary listed.

Mary died in Nottingham in 1869 (aged 64), John in 1899, aged 62. None of the others appears on the burial listings.

But is this "my" Joseph? How could I find out?

[jaywit]

Annie What  you have to say is how many Joseph Kilner Frameworker Knitters born Ireland were there?
Why not send for the birth certificate for one of the children born after 1837 to see what they say for mother's maiden name.
Then that gives another name to look for a marriage in case Joseph was using another name.
If nothing turns up with that then you have to guess they didn't marry.
Mary wasn't a spring chicken, over 30 when first child was born so she may have already been married to someone else.

[Annie65115]

I'm having a dense moment

I can't find the Nottingham Kilners on the 1881 census and I can't find the relevant search boxes to put the census reference in!

(I'm using ancestry to search)

Those search boxes were there before, I know it!!! Please can someone point me to the right part of my screen -- oh dear --



SO, a hypothesis as I see it:

Reuben and Joseph Kilner were from Ireland. They fetched up in Leicestershire.
Reuben didn't marry. Joseph married, had family no 1, then Elizabeth died (though I have yet to find those deaths) - and remarried Mary, moving to Nottingham.
Reuben also moved to Nottingham. (It does seem a little coincidental, doesn't it?)

BUT - Reuben dies in the workhouse in Nottingham, Joseph for some reason goes back to the workhouse in Leicester - why? I always thought he might have moved back to Leicester as his surviving children were there, but if he had a wife and children in Nottingham, why would he go back to Leicester??

and, if the above story is true, what happened, and when, to Elizabeth, Caroline and Harriet? If only I could find at least one of those names on the Notts burial CD I would feel more settled with this theory.

[fredandora]

Hi Annie65115 - I've just entered the ring and so may well be so far out of order that you needn't bother, but a quick check on the trusty ole a-y.com shows that Joseph Kilners  - indeed Kilner as a surname - pops up all over Yorkshire, particularly the southern end of the West Riding.  Not hundreds, mind, but several, including a baptism for Joseph in Sep 1790, in Kirkburton, s/o Joseph Kilner.  If I'm repeating info already provided, my apologies - and embarassment 

  Best regards, Anne.

[jaywit]

I wonder if the records for Leicester workhouse survive? That may explain why Joseph was there.
We still have to work out what happened to his first wife and children.
If we can prove Joseph didn't marry Mary then unless Mary wasn't free to marry it looks like she was still alive somewhere, but where?