Author Topic: Copy Wills  (Read 2715 times)

Offline amethyst0_9

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 277
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Copy Wills
« on: Saturday 29 August 09 14:38 BST (UK) »
Hello

Could anyone tell me if it is possible to get a copy of a will?

Regards
Jan
Spink, Russell, Wilson, Truelove, Smith, Platt, Baker, Cotton

Offline bikermickau

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,153
    • View Profile
Re: COPY WILLS
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 August 09 14:50 BST (UK) »
I have purchased online pdf copies of wills that are held at the UK National Archives.

Mick
Jeffs - Northamptonshire to Leicestershire to Queensland, Australia
Lewis - Wales to Gloucestershire to NSW & Queensland, Australia
Iddols & Baylis - Gloucestershire
Mary Jones - born 1863 Staffordshire, died 1948 Queensland, Australia
daughter of James Jones and Eliza Aston
Dorans - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Ralph - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Jillett - Robert, Transported Convict from Surrey
Christison - Edinburgh,Scotland
Cameron - Edinburgh, Scotland

Offline lizdb

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 25,307
    • View Profile
Re: COPY WILLS
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 August 09 15:22 BST (UK) »
Yes

Pre 1858 some available from NA

Post 1858 see
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1226.htm

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline Redroger

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,680
  • Dad and Fireman at Kings Cross 13.7.1951
    • View Profile
Re: COPY WILLS
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 August 09 20:02 BST (UK) »
The late lamented Family Recors Centre would print them off while you waited; have had other stuff printed at the National Archives so presumably they will do wills too while you wait.
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)


Offline newburychap

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,963
    • View Profile
Re: Copy Wills
« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 August 09 16:44 BST (UK) »
The wills at TNA are just the tip of the iceberg - most wills before 1858 are held at county record offices. It is usually possible to get copies. Which record office depends on the church court that handled probate of the will.

After 1858 all wills that pass through probate are available from a single source - HM Courts Service (see link in earleir post).  Indexes (aka calendars) are available in many record offices and large libraries (usually covering 1858 to the 1940s) and local probate offices (1940s to recent). Probate offices also have a computerised index (which may or may not be complete - not sure how far back they have got).
Latest project - www.westberkshirewarmemorials.org.uk
Currently researching:<br /> Newbury pubs  & inns - the buildings, breweries and publican families.
Member of Newbury District Field Club - www.ndfc.org.uk

Offline Redroger

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,680
  • Dad and Fireman at Kings Cross 13.7.1951
    • View Profile
Re: Copy Wills
« Reply #5 on: Monday 31 August 09 17:31 BST (UK) »
Access to Archives (A2A) details the CRO location of wills, once at the record office  in person I find it worth asking whether they have any further documents regarding the family name(s) which are not on A2A. The answer is often yes.
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)

Offline dobfarm

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,905
  • Scarcliffe village Derbyshire
    • View Profile
Re: Copy Wills
« Reply #6 on: Monday 31 August 09 20:49 BST (UK) »
Hi

There are as other posters have said Wills at different locations. The earlier pre 1858 Wills by probate are either the South at Canterbury some being at the Guildhall London and the northen England Wills are at the Borthwick institute at York university. Also there are Wills in the deeds index's at county records offices.
In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

Offline Redroger

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 12,680
  • Dad and Fireman at Kings Cross 13.7.1951
    • View Profile
Re: Copy Wills
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 September 09 17:10 BST (UK) »
With pre 1858 wills don't forget that there are sometimes seemingly odd locations, e.g. I found a will of a relative at Hayden Dorset was in the Wiltshire Archive at Chippenham, reason Hayden is in Salisbury Diocese, so this can be important in determining the location.
Ayres Brignell Cornwell Harvey Shipp  Stimpson Stubbings (all Cambs) Baumber Baxter Burton Ethards Proctor Stanton (all Lincs) Luffman (all counties)

Offline newburychap

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,963
    • View Profile
Re: Copy Wills
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 September 09 20:33 BST (UK) »
With pre 1858 wills don't forget that there are sometimes seemingly odd locations, e.g. I found a will of a relative at Hayden Dorset was in the Wiltshire Archive at Chippenham, reason Hayden is in Salisbury Diocese, so this can be important in determining the location.

It is always the court that had probate jurisdiction that determines where the will is located. The majority go to Archdeaconry Courts that generally fall in with our concept of the pre-1974 counties. Though you do have to watch out for occasional places that moved from one archdeaconry to another.

The next higher courts are Diocesan which not only dealt with cases where the property of the deceased was located in more than one Archdeaconry within the Diocese but they also had the right to probate Archdeaconry wills every few years.  Bear in mind that this is about cash - the charges for the probate service were a nice little earner.

Beyond the Diocese come the two Archdiocesan courts of Canterbury and York taking over when property from more than one diocese was involved.  Canterbury would take precedence when the deceased had property in both archdioceses.

This is the basic, simple structure.  Then it gets more complicated.
  • First there was a snob value to having your will proven by the PCC (Prerogative Court of Canterbury) even if you could far more easily get it done locally. So there are an increasing number of wills taken to London (where the PCC operated).  If nothing else it meant a nice trip to London for the executors. Obviously this practice is more prevalent in the counties closer to London.
  • Secondly there are things called Peculiars. These are parishes, towns, bits of towns etc that for some historical reason answer to a distant Bishop or similar - for example the Dean & Chapter of St George's Chapel in Windsor had jurisdiction over several parishes in the west of Berkshire.
  • Thirdly jurisdictions change.  An example being the transfer of the Archdeaconries of Berkshire, Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire to a new Diocese of Oxford in 1844.  So control moved from Salisbury (Berkshire) and Lincoln (Bucks and Oxon) to Oxford for a few years until the national system took over in 1858.
  • Another complication came if property in more than one country was at stake - something I have not had to face to date. Note that Scotland is a separate country when it comes to probate (and far easier to research as their historical wills are all online).

There are several books giving probate jurisdictions and local county record offices will be able to advise where to look.
Latest project - www.westberkshirewarmemorials.org.uk
Currently researching:<br /> Newbury pubs  & inns - the buildings, breweries and publican families.
Member of Newbury District Field Club - www.ndfc.org.uk