Murphy - Barry's Wexford

[CatB]

Hello.

I came across this site as I've just started researching my family history.

I've got as far as the 1911 census and I think I've found my great grand parents and their children listed at Temperance Rowe although the address my dad remembers is Swan View. I couldn't find any listings at Swan View and the age and names of the children at Temperance Rowe is a match.

My grandfather was Patrick Murphy but we have grown up with Barry as our family name.

Patrick Murphy was born in 1898 and on his birth certificate his father is listed as James Murphy. However on Patrick's marriage certicate in 1923 his father is listed as James Barry.

I'm only just beginning my quest so any information or nudges in the right direction would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks
Cat

[diddymiller]

Hi and welcome to RC.

Is it possible that your ggrandmother (Patricks mum) was married twice/ ie james Murphy died and she remarried a James Barry? Patrick might then have taken the name Barry and used it on his marriage cert...

This would mean looking for a death for JMurphy. do you have any firther name/dates for us.

Diddy

[CatB]

Hi and welcome to RC.

Is it possible that your ggrandmother (Patricks mum) was married twice/ ie james Murphy died and she remarried a James Barry? Patrick might then have taken the name Barry and used it on his marriage cert...

This would mean looking for a death for JMurphy. do you have any firther name/dates for us.

Diddy

Hello
Thanks for replying.

Yeah that was my train of thought.

Patrick used the surname Barry on his marriage cert and also his armed forces papers. His visa is in the name of Murphy. From a legal point of view I wasn't sure if you could use Barry on your marriage cert or to enter the army as you'd need to supply your birth cert. Is that right?

I do know that when Patrick died there were issues with registering the death and arranging the funeral because no one new his birth name was Murphy.

I think I've found my ggrandparents on the census and now have their ages at 1911 so this will help in finding their birth/marriage/death certs. So hopefully I can piece it all together. It'll just be really interesting to find out some more information about them.

Thanks again for replying and if you have any nuggets of information to help my search please do let me know.
Cat

[diddymiller]

Hi Cat, i am assuming we are talking about Wexford in ireland??
it may help if further queries are put on the Irish board where specialist knowledge/local knowledge will be available.

have you got patrick on the 1901 census? presumably with parents because of age.

Diddy 

Moderator's Note: topic moved to Wexford board

[CatB]

Hi Cat, i am assuming we are talking about Wexford in ireland??
it may help if further queries are put on the Irish board where specialist knowledge/local knowledge will be available.

have you got patrick on the 1901 census? presumably with parents because of age.

Diddy 

Hi


Yes I found Patrick on the census for 1901 and 1911 for Ireland. In the search it asks for Patrick's age in 1911. I didn't find anything under his birth name but I did find a match under Barry.

Thanks for the info on the Irish board. I'll do that.

Many thanks
Cat

[aghadowey]

Topic moved to Wexford board for you.

[shanew147]

Swan view and Temperance Row seem to be at opposite ends of Wexford town.. see this google map : http://www.rootschat.com/links/072g/ 

Temperance row (mis-spelt at Teperance Row on google maps) is close to  the Railway station and Swan View seem to be located at Faythe St (The Faythe) to the south of Wexford own.

see details for the Faythe guest house, Swan View at :  http://www.hotel-contacts.com/24627/faythe.html



Shane

[shorts]

Hello.

I came across this site as I've just started researching my family history.

I've got as far as the 1911 census and I think I've found my great grand parents and their children listed at Temperance Rowe although the address my dad remembers is Swan View. I couldn't find any listings at Swan View and the age and names of the children at Temperance Rowe is a match.

My grandfather was Patrick Murphy but we have grown up with Barry as our family name.

Patrick Murphy was born in 1898 and on his birth certificate his father is listed as James Murphy. However on Patrick's marriage certificate in 1923 his father is listed as James Barry.

I'm only just beginning my quest so any information or nudges in the right direction would be very much appreciated.

Cat

If the Patrick Barry in Temperance Row is the same Patrick 'Murphy' then your Grandfather may have had a sister called Mary Fenlon.

Below is a Rowe street church parish register entry on 08/01/1914 for the marriage of a Mary Barry who's father is James Barry. There's only one Mary Barry living in Wexford Town in the 1911 census so this appears to be the same Mary & James Barry who were living in Temperance Row - hence Patrick's sister & father.