Thomas Bell of county Kildare

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Ann Montgomery was the mother.

[Mimble]

I have been looking at the transcripts that you have referred to above. I believe that all these references to Ann McNeill nee Montgomery refer to the daughter of Jane and Hercules Montgomery, who married Hector McNeill and inherited the estates from her parents. There appears to have been a dispute between her sons John and Roger? I remember reading about this at some stage.

Interesting that they start to refer to themselves as McNeill Montgomery . There seems to have been a lot of changes to and combinations of surnames in those days when inheriting land and money.

[PJB]

I am a little late to this thread.

I have recently found out that I share YDNA with Captain Thomas Butler who led the Irish settlers out to South Africa in 1820. I am not a descendant of Captain Thomas Butler rather my Kildare Butler line and Thomas's line share a common Ancestor.

I have read through John Montgonerys book and to paraphase John he writes his mother Mary Parkes born 1762 and the wife of Captain Thomas Butler, Elizabeth, grew up together. I have Sarah Parkes Nee Boakes death as 29 Aug 1750 from Quaker records, if this is correct she cannot be the mother of Mary Parkes born 1762, even if the the death date is incorrect Sarah Parkes Nee Boakes would have been 50 years old when Mary was born.

I am told that Mary was brought up by her sister Margery Park and her husband Ephraim Boake, an interesting marriage as Margery is Ephraim Boake's niece, again the quaker records. If Ephraim Boake and Magery did bring up Mary then that puts Mary in the same area as Elizabeth the wife of Captain Thomas Butler and brings credence to Johns book.

I am interested in the Christian Name of the daughter of Thomas Bell who married Thomas Parke of Baranstown, Wicklow or any additional information.

This is an extreamly interesting bit of research

https://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/settlershowparty.php?party=Butler

 

[Monty128]

I think it was Sarah Boake 1712 to 1812

[PJB]

I think it was Sarah Boake 1712 to 1812

Sarah Boake was, I think, Thomas Parkes first wife, in the Quaker records it does say “Sarah Boake wife of Thomas Parke died 29 Aug 1750“.

[Mimble]

I went into this extensively some years ago, and am still finding out more about this remarkable family. This is my summary of my findings about Mary Park's family: Mary’s father was Thomas Parke of Raheen, County Wicklow. He died in Baltinglass (no date given but probably soon after Mary’s birth in 1762) as a prosperous farmer with a large herd of cattle. He had stood surety for a colleague who ran off with taxes, and Thomas was held to account. As his cattle were being driven off he had a stroke and died before his wife came home to reassure him that Lord Aldborough and his brother Captain Stratford had told her not to worry about it. His wife lived until 98. Mary’s mother was Sarah Boake born in 1712. She married Thomas Parke who was originally of Barranstown in 1731. She was 50 when Mary was born, the last of a big family,  and after her father died Mary went to live with her older sister Margery who had married their uncle Ephraim Boake. (This of course was highly irregular, although they were of similar age and more like cousins, and Ephraim was ‘excommunicated’ from his Quaker community because of it). Margery and Ephraim Boake brought up Mary at Boakfield House. Mary’s mother features in John’s reminiscences as the grandmother dressed all in black who died at his family home aged 98.

[Mimble]

Captain Thomas Butler's wife was Elizabeth Hanks (Hunckes) so was a cousin of the Montgomerys. Perhaps that's why they agreed to let John Montgomery tag onto their group when it left Baltinglass on their way to emigrate to the Cape.

I have come to the conclusion that the 'daughters of Thomas Bell' were invented by John Montgomery the Settler or by his father or grandfather to cover up a couple of illegitimacies which have come to light in my research, ie. that of John Montgomery of Naas, the settler's 'grandfather', and the Settler's father himself, who I believe was not a son of John of Naas, but rather his nephew. There is no evidence of the 'daughters of Thomas Bell' on either side of the family.

[PJB]

Mimble

Thank you very much for the reply, I think our research maybe along the same lines and quite close

I have Thomas Butlers wife as Elizabeth Lapham, there are a lot of connections between the Laphams and the Butlers, Thomas Butler even gets "his good Friend Joseph Lapham of Cork street" to pay the journey money for the Settlers to travel out to SA. I think Elizabeth Lapham had a sister Sarah and she Married  Jeremiah Hanks 04 Nov 1794 in the Meath Street Meeting House, Dublin, Ireland.

Sarah Hanks nee Lapham parents are William Lapham and Mary Russel



Both Sarah Hanks and Elizabeth had daughters named Matilda around the same time and Elizabeth had a son Joseph Lapham Butler born 1809 in Wicklow. My other Kildare Butler line also has blood ties with the Laphams

I read the story of taxes and the agent running off with the money and Thomas being held responsible of the loss.

I have not found any daughters for Thomas Bell but I did come across that death record for Sarah Parke nee Boake in the quaker records, I need to revist that record.

I have 8 children + Mary for Thomas Parkes

Elizabeth Butler returned to Ireland in 1827 with her youngest son George she attended Quaker meetings in Endenderry as a non member, she died in 1847 and is buried in Rathangan Kildare Quaker cemetery, I can find no trace of George. When Elizabeth return to Ireland she must have to her family after the terrible experince in SA   

I went back to John Mongomery and Elizabeth Faulkner to get a wider view of the Montgomery Line.

[PJB]

The Lapham letter


Baltinglass 29th October 1819

Sir,

According to your directions in your last letter I have directed my friend Mr. Joseph LAPHAM of Cork Street, Dublin to forward to the Treasury in London one hundred and twenty two pounds ten shillings being the amount of my deposit for bringing out ten families to the new settlements in Africa. As I have some things yet to dispose of and other arrangements to make you will serve me materially by letting me know when tis probable the fleet will sail and if it is at Cork my party and myself will be picked up.

I have the honour to be most obediently yours

Thos. BUTLER