Policeman ID

[brina]

I wonder if anyone can help in identifying the policeman in this photograph.   Do you think that this is a photograph of a policeman in Liverpool?  The reason I think so is the "L" beside the number on his collar.   However I could be completely wrong, it is really a bit of a wild guess.

I found the photo in my grandmother's photographs and can remember her telling me about an uncle of hers who was a policeman and I seem to recall he was called McArthur.   

However I also know that a relative called Cairns was also a policeman in Liverpool although another elderly Cairns relative living in Liverpool tells me he does not think it is a Cairns but seems to recall seeing the photograph before somewhere.

Happy to receive any advice anyone can give me.

Brina

[Barbara.H]

Hi,

This doesn't help with the uniform ID, but here is a link to Lancashire Record Office 'police search' which covers 1840-1925

http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/record_office/records/policesearch.asp

I tried the surname search and you get more than one result for both the names you mention    so if all else fails, you could contact them with a copy of the photo and the full names, it says they welcome email queries!

Good luck
  Barbara

[Hibee]

Hi Brina

Is it more likely that the L stands for L Division?  I think there would have been more than 89 police who went before this fine chap in a city the size of Liverpool.

I could, of course, be L Division, in Liverpool.

Hibee

[km1971]

Hi Brina

It is not a Liverpool Police cap badge. If you send the photograph to the email address at the bottom of this link - http://www.britishpolicehelmet.co.uk/id2.html - I am sure he will be able to tell you.

Ken

[HOWMUCH]

Hello Brina
Just in case he is a Manchester police force member . I would suggest you e mail police.museum@gmp.police.uk and they may identify the uniform . I am aware that they have an L division in Manchester and that was Wigan division . but I am not sure when divisional letters were introduced .
In the meantime I think MIGKY is the man with the knowledge of Manchester members .
Regards
Eric

[brina]

Thank you everyone for your suggestions.   I will first of all take Ken's advice and contact on the website he provided.   It seems clear now that it is not Liverpool.   I suppose I was grasping at straws a bit when I saw the L on the collar of the uniform.

If I get any information I will let you all know.

In the meantime many thanks.

Brina

[Mr. MIGKY]

Hi, here is my two pennies worth
There is only one McArthur listed in the Manchester police 1858-1918 cd i have.
Robert McArthur.
Joined 4th Feb 1890
Born Manchester
Religion: Presbyterian
Single.

There are 1 Cain, and a few Caine's listed but no Cairns.
Migky

[brina]

Migky,

Thank you for your help too - I will keep you posted if I hear anything about the helmet ID.

Brina

[brina]

Hi all,

Just had it confirmed that the helmet is Glasgow City Police.   Sorry to bother everyone on this section.   I am now awaiting word from the curator at the Glasgow Museum Archives.   

Out of interest I will post a name if I happen to get one.

Thanks to all for their help.

Brina