Please help decipher census

[Ecneps]

Hi Alan,

Uist is across the water from either of the Kilmuirs, so I'm wondering if it's not that at all, and is a small village nearby one of them.  If you go to the links I gave and click on 'nearby places' at the top there are lists of places near Kilmuir, I had a quick look but couldn't see anything resembling Ouist.  Western Isles is the outer Hebrides, while Skye is the inner Hebrides.
Here's a list of placenames in the Western Isles:
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/councils/councildetails32.html

Barbara

[the pretender]

Got the birth certificat of John the son of Angus Mc/Mac Donald and yet another stinker, probably even more difficult to decipher than the census certs.
From his birth cert I get nearly everything on it except the place in Invernesshire his father Angus was born which is what I was after. Could it be N Uist or is it just because I want it to be.
Info I get is April 3rd, 1855. 177 Bains Court, Maitland Street, Milton, Glasgow which is spot on as John gave Gayfield Street on his marriage cert which was just a few streets away. The father is Angus McDonald (carter) ??, Invernesshire. Make it 2 boys and 1 girl living but dont know if this includes the John on the certificate. All is not easy but eventually legible just the ?? with Invernesshire. To make matters worse the death of Angus McDonald is not the one I thought (1861, Clyde, Glasgow) and cant find anyone on the 1771 census making it necessary to wait for Edinburgh visit and trawl through them there. How unlucky can it be to get so many bad images.

[MonicaL]

Ahhhh....the hunt goes on 

I actually don't think it gave a place name in Inverness-shire. I think is simply states, Angus MacDonald, Carter, then the bit you can't make out and think possibly is a place name, I think is his age 25 years maybe and then Inverness-shire.

Re, number of children, I would say John was her 3rd child. So you have James b. 1850, then probably a girl and then John.

You should contact SP on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/contactus/form.aspx?issue=24 regarding an illegible image and they will send you back an enhanced image/sections as required via email. They are very good on these types of queries which as you can imagine are not infrequent with these registers. It helps to include the GROS ref on your email to them. Response is normally 24-48 hours for this type of enquiry.

All hopes rest on his death entry. Have you found Margaret Braid as yet in 1871 to try and narrow down Angus' death dates?

Monica

[MonicaL]

I think this might be Margaret and son John in 1871. The transcription I am looking at on Ancestry can often mistranscribe but given John's occupation in 1881, I think the original could well confirm the name as Margaret.

So, we had Angus and family in Falkirk Landward in 1861. Margaret and son, as you say, show there in 1881, John occupation shows as a moulder. I think this might be them in 1871, with Margaret's name mistranscribed:

Mary Bandon McDonald 56, laundress b. Falkirk...Margaret also shows as a laundress in 1881
John McDonald 15, moulder b. Falkirk

Address: George St, Falkirk Landward

Alan, why do you think that Angus may have died in Glasgow. You get the feeling that the family didn't really move away from Falkirk over the years.

There is a death showing on SP for an Angus McDonald in Falkirk in 1864. Now I think this may be one of those entries for that period where the age shows as unrecorded on the index but once you look at the image it does actually include the age of the person. (Try searching with an age parameter of 0 to 110 and you get zero results, take off any age and you will see you get one entry).
Fingers crossed it may be the right one.

Monica

[the pretender]

Monica,
you are hot on the genealogy, you have got them on the 1871 census and I wonder why on Scotlands people I got nothing searching Falkirk and Glasgow for John the son and his mother margaret. Also agree that is probably Angus death you have found and thank you for your experience and time in locating him, I am sure I would not have found it.
I thought Angus may have died in Glasgow as his son John was born there as per certificate and John on his marriage certificate gave his address as a few streets away from where he was born in Glasgow so there was a link in that area. John an iron moulder on his wedding cert.
I have an advantage on you with the birth cert. of John as I can manipulate it easily and the birthplace of father (Angus) is reasonably clearly marked Invernesshire with what could (with some imagination) be N Uist above it but that line is nearly illegable though as I say, no doubt about the Invernesshire.

Thank you so much (everyone) for your time and trouble as I am sure I would not have got there alone. If I find the place of birth I will post it on this thread.

best wishes,
Alan

[the pretender]

Monica, you have done it again, agree it is '39 years' and then Invernesshire.
Daughter thinks you are amazing.
Alan.

[MonicaL]

Just too long looking at images of BMDs 

Likely in 1871 that Margaret has been entered as Marg. Baird McD and it's been indexed as Mary Bandon McD.

Let us know how you get on!

Monica 

[angusm]

Have just noticed this trail. At a glance, going back to the original question, the problem does not seem to have been resolved. The entry was evidently Ouist, a phonetic attempt at spelling by the enumerator and, setting aside speculation about a Skye connection, there is a Kilmuir in North Uist so the entry would seem to make sense.

[the pretender]

Thanks again to all,

Monica, the suggested death of Angus McDonald (Falkirk, 1864) was indeed correct and gave his death as drowning, age 40 with parents Donald McDonald (church officer) and Catharine McLeod. No luck with the marriage and 1841 census has only one fit so far at Hungladder, Kilmuir, Skye with Donald McDonald age 60 and wife Catherine age 40, children: Malcolm 15, ANGUS 15, Ranald 13, Catherine 11 and Alexander 9.
So many McDonalds and McLeods that I now will have to wait until I visit Edinburgh next and trawl through this line, has been one of the most annoying attemps at tracing a line I have come across and a lot of the successes were down to you.

best wishes,
Alan.