Army. Royal Waggon Train Moses Molyneux

[gilesc]

Hello, I have just now discovered Roots chat. I have never posted anything on any message board site before so I've got everything crossed that this will work.
I posted the emssage below under " beginners" but now I realise I can go to a more specific set of boards.
I have got stuck on my ancestor Moses Molyneux.b abt 1773, d 1826 at the Royal Arsenal Greenwich. He was buried at St  Mary Magdalen Church  Woolwich.
In 1815 , at his daughter's baptism, his occupation was Cornet in Royal Train. In 1840 at his daughter's marriage his occupation is Cornet in Army.
I now know that the Royal Waggon Train was disbanded and is an antecedent regt of the Royal Logistic Corps.
Unfortunately I can't get to Kew to view army records. Have any rootschatters got any ideas on how I can further my search.
All the best
Carolyn

[Valda]

Hi

I would suggest reading The National Archives research leaflets on the British Army, the link is in the help topic at the top of the London and Middlesex board

LINKS TO RECOMMENDED RESEARCH GUIDES – CHECK THESE OUT

As Moses appears to have died in service he won't have received an army pension and after his death his attestation papers will have been destroyed (the army would have no further use for them if it didn't have to pay out a pension). The main source left would be the muster books, the quarterly payment books, where you can track his service back. You can only do this by accessing the records at The National Archives.


Regards

Valda

[gilesc]

Hello Valda,
Many thanks for getting back to me. Another Roots chatter person has given me info on Moses other children +wife. I can't believe Roots chat, I'm so pleased I've stumbled across it.
When I do my yearly visit to London next summer I will go to Kew though.
Regards
Carolyn.

[Valda]

Hi

Yes I saw other possibilities have been suggested.
If the Moses/Elizabeth marriage in Liverpool is correct in 1792 then you would need to check the actual register to see if Elizabeth married as a minor. If not then she would be at least 21 giving her birth year as circa 1771.

Children's baptisms
Agnes 1793 in Liverpool

then a long gap of 27 years

Margaret 1820 Warrington
Arthur 1823 Plumstead
Eliza 1826 in Woolwich born 17th January

This would mean Elizabeth would be about 55 at the time of Eliza's birth. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible it is the same Moses (though the IGI is a very imperfect index and has far from whole coverage of all parish registers and of course Moses may not have been baptised in England) but it is far less likely it is the same Elizabeth.

Someone else researching Moses?

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~imfa/newsletter-vol20.html


Regards

Valda

[gilesc]

hello Valda,
I have contacted the Molyneux family, many thanks for their website links. I will also check out the marriage register for 17th Jun 1792 for the birthdate of Elizabeth Ireland.
regards
Cal

[Valda]

Hi

The 1792 marriage won't give a birthdate. If Elizabeth married as a minor (under 21) it should state that she was a minor otherwise no further information would be given, meaning she was at least 21 (if truthful) at the time of her marriage. Even if she was a minor at the time of the 1792 marriage let's say very young - 16, that would still mean she would have to be 50 at the time of Eliza's birth. It isn't impossible but in a period of much harder lives people aged quicker and women's fertility rarely extended as long as it does today.


A possible marriage for Agnes Molyneux which if correct would place her in Liverpool in 1815.

AGNES MOLYNEUX 
HENRY WRIGHT
Marriage:  28 MAY 1815   Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire
 

Regards

Valda

[gilesc]

Morning Valda,
I totally understand the problem re marriage certificate. And definately how hard lives were, especially for women. I have 2 antecedents dying in childbirth already in one of my branches. I don't think that Elizabeth was giving birth at that stage of her life.
I do now have a reference for this certificate  and have put out a look up. If this is not successful I'll visit Liverpool and do some searching

Carolyn.

[MonicaL]

Hi Carolyn

I've just spotted this entry on the Death Parish Registers which would fit for mother Elizabeth:

Elizabeth Molineux, 44, burial 20 Feb 1831, at Saint Mary Magdalene, Woolwich

So with an estimated birth year of c. 1787 fits better for the christenings of children you now have from 1815-26. Does confirm though that the marriage entry in 1792 in Liverpool is not hers but does not preclude Moses having married two Elizabeths!

Monica 

[MonicaL]

The key to establish whether that burial entry for an Elizabeth is linked to Moses is perhaps for you to investigate what cemetery inscriptions there may be for St Mary Magdalene Cemetery. Some info here www.greenwichheritage.org/family/index.html (if you click on the Parish Register link).

Monica

Added: They may not have been able to afford a tombstone but worth checking just in case