Horace Warner HASTINGS

[treedahlia]

  unfortunately the Horace Warner born 1862 at Brighton, Sussex, son of Maria and Richard Warner, became a well known photographer in London during early 1900's see a collection of his
Photos online via Spitalfields Nippers... therefore he may be ruled out of this quest for the
 identity
of Horace Warner Hastings.
The plus is that the rootschat team may've unearthed prev
unknown info on H.W.

[bob1066]

So... unfortunately the mystery is not yet solved.

This

Horace Warner's mother was Maria Batchelor, not Maria Postlethwaite...

have just revisited Horace's death cert issued in Victoria. His parents are clearly Richard and Maria Postlethwaite

seems to indicate that my grandfather's original surname was definitely Postlethwaite. How certain is this though? By that I mean, who would have provided the information for the death certificate, and how did they get their information?

The existence of a "Richard Warner and Maria Warner (nee Postlethwaite)" and a different couple "Richard and Maria Postlethwaite" would seem to be too much of a coincidence, and would suggest that they are the same people and that my grandfather, for whatever reason, thought of himself as more of a Postlethwaite than a Warner, and said so at the end of his life. On the other hand, he certainly did not stay in London to become a well known photographer during the 1900's.

Curiouser and Curiouser.

[jonwarrn]

unfortunately the Horace Warner born 1862 at Brighton, Sussex, son of Maria and Richard Warner, became a well known photographer in London during early 1900's see a collection of his
Photos online via Spitalfields Nippers... therefore he may be ruled out of this quest for the
 identity
of Horace Warner Hastings.

That is a different Horace Warner.
http://spitalfieldslife.com/2014/06/30/in-search-of-horace-warner/

[bob1066]

OK, looks like Horace Warner, son of Richard and Maria Warner, is the man we are after.

It's possible that before he started calling himself Hastings he referred to himself as Horace Postlethwaite rather than Horace Warner. There are a few possible reasons for this. Perhaps there was a rift between him and his father? We already know he left the UK under somewhat of a cloud.

[treedahlia]

oops my sincere apologies for
getting the wrong Horace Warner
For more info on Richard Warner
His bio is on the website..
www.photohistory-sussex.co.uk
Scroll down to red list of
Photographers and click on
William Lane.
Then down Lane's page and on
Left side there is a lot of info
Re Richard n Maria and their family.

[bob1066]

That info about the Warner family under "William Lane" certainly sounds like it's the right family. No mention of the name Postlethwaite though.

My grandfather may well have been delirious when he said his name was Postlethwaite, but he got the name from somewhere, so the mystery deepens. I see the Horace Warner referred to here had two sisters. It would be good to know if death certificates exist for either of them, hopefully with the cause of death. My grandfather Horace allegedly was blamed for the drowning death of his sister.

[treedahlia]

hi bob,
in the 1881 census horace warner is aged 19 and living with his older sister
mrs kate maria watson and her husband william watson and their
1 year old son thomas watson at brighton sussex.

kate's birth name was maria christiana warner born 1853.. she married as kate maria warner to
william watson at brighton sussex at brighton in the march quarter of 1879 volume2b page 278
refer to freebmd uk website.

her death is recorded on same website in the march quarter of 1883
kate maria watson at brighton sussex england.

mrs kate maria watson appears to be the same person as maria christiana warner
the older sister of horace warner.

it would be wholly unwise to assume that  her brother horace your relative
was in any way responsible for her death.

horaces other sister died at approx 6 years of age born dec quarter  1859 died
december quarter of 1865 ..so at that time horace was only 3 years of age.

quite tragic for the family and for horace for that matter.

these details are available online freebmd uk website and
you can find horace warner born 1862 sussex england on
the1881 census of england and wales .

hopes this info makes sense to you.

best wishes from  treedahlia

[treedahlia]

just had a look for horace's younger brother frank warner.. he is listed in1881 census
as aged 16 born brighton sussex  and is a barman and living with his employer
and the employer's large family.

by 1891 frank warner had married and had a 1 year  old son who
was named horace warner.

familysearch website
1881 census
county london
parish  clerkenwell

frank warner aged 25  born brighton sussex occupation barman
sarah warner aged 22 born in clerkenwell, london.
horace warner , son aged 1 year

so the younger brother frank  named his son after his brother
horace who'd left for australia.

just wondering if they kept in touch

[treedahlia]

had a look on A---try for shipping passenger records britain to australia
found a record for a frank warner born 1867  england to sydney nsw in 1890.
horaces brother frank warner was still in london with wife and child at time of
1891 uk census so it doesnt appear to be him.
just wondered if  horace warner travelled under his brothers name
to sydney australia.
someone with A---try records might be able to get more details..
worth a look perhaps.