Catherine HALL - b.1874

[Harrisons]

Hello,

Looking for some help please.

Trying to locate some census / Birth  records for a Catherine Hall,  b. 1874,  married Reuben Hearn/e

Marriage record is in Chorleywood, Herts, 1892.

Father listed as George Hall.

I can locate Reuben through the later census and is living with a different woman and has children in Wales on 1911 census but i know that he has children in the 1920's with catherine as she is my grandmothers mother and is listed as mother on her birth certificate?

But where is she until then?

I am unsure where she was born but would assume Herts, Bucks area?

Can anyone find her after marriage or before??

[Mort29]

i know that he has children in the 1920's with catherine as she is my grandmothers mother and is listed as mother on her birth certificate?

she would have been 50 by 1924 - are you sure its the same woman?

[Harrisons]

1924  - Constance Eileen Hearn
Mother Catherine Hearn, maiden name Hall


She also has another child in 1927 - Alfred G Hearn.

[Mort29]

Is Reuben the boy in the 1881 census born c1872 Highgate? Parents Robert and Emma ?

This may be him in the 1891 census, there are some common factors, and it puts him in the Watford-ish area for an 1892 marriage. Which may lead us to Catherine.

What was his occupation shown as on the Marriage papers?

RG12; Piece: 1145; Folio 5; Page 4, Aylesbury Bucks

Lodging with the Pinegar family.

Ruben Hearn aged 18, a Railway Labourer but documents he was born Chorleywood


This man appears in the 1901 census married to an Alice.

[Harrisons]

Reuben was born chorleywood,  but on  marriage record his father is listed as tibbles.  looks like mother remarried but he kept her name.

im very confused with it all but 1891 census lodger with pinergar family
1901 - listed as living in ealing married to Alice M Hearn,  born Wiltshire 1879?
1911 living in wales married to Minnie Hearn,  has 3 children.  she is born 1881 aylesbury.

I know from my nan Constances marriage certificate her sister Ann Elizabeth Hearn was there.  now her mother is Minnie as she appears on 1911 census. 

I have confirmed that Reuben married Minnie M Dudley in Nottingham (where my nan grew up) in 1943???

Between Catherine and Minnie they had 13 children by Reuben at interlinked times so assume they knew about each other,  but to avoid bigamy minnie and reuben did not get married to catherine died. (speculation)


But where was catherine living throughout these times??

Who was Alice M Hearn??

so confused?

[Mort29]

Indeed, me too now 

I had just discounted the Chorleywood man as I saw the 1901 entry married to Alice (she may well be Alice M.H Still, born circa 1879, Wilts, Littleton - but no marriage in that name to a Reuben)

I've tried a lot of options to find a Catherine Hall, but no luck so far.

The 1946 Nottingham marriage - does the paperwork on Reuben's details tally with the 1892 marriage?

[Harrisons]

i cant understand the back and forth between 2 women and how Catherine just disapears.  I am currently looking into the fact that Reuben Hearn may have been of Gypsy stock so perhaps Catherine Hall was to and so may have not been traceable via census reports?

Its another option as someone pointed out to me that the name Reuben Hearn could have gypsy links!!

[Maddie]

Hi

What a puzzle you have. Hope I can help a little.

Think I've found your Rueben in the 1881. I see the IGI record for the marriage has Rueben's father as Henry Tibbles.

Chorleywood Bottom RG11-1440-148 page 11.

Henry Tibbles head 47 ag lab born Rickmansworth

Eliza  Tibbles wife 41 born Chalfont Bucks

Alfred Hearne son 18 factory lab born Chalfont Bucks

Henry Hearne son 16 ag lab born Amersham Bucks

Ellen Hearne dau 13 born Amersham Bucks

RUBEN (sic) TIBBLES son 9 born Rickmansworth

Fanny Tibbles dau 6 born Rickmansworth

George Tibbles son 2months born Rickmansworth.

Tibbles is an old Rickmansworth name. The marriage for Henry Tibbles & Eliza Hearne is on Free BMD Sep qtr 1873 Amersham 3a 617. I haven't found a record of Rueben's birth though.

Henry is still with his parents in Chorleywood on the 1871, if you would like the details I can post them.

I'm pretty sure I have found Eliza on the 1871 albeit they are badly transcribed but the image looks to be correct.

1871 Merstham Reigate Surrey, RG10-835-45 page 17

Eliza Horne (sic) widow 30 field worker born  Hammersham (sic) with her 3 children Alfred, Henry & Ellen.

Unfortunately this doesn't help with your quest to find Catherine Hall but I think I may have had a sighting of her so will do a bit more checking & get back to you.

Maddie

[Maddie]

Hi again

Is there a chance this could be your Catherine.

1881 Aylesbury RG11-1473-18 page 30

George Hall wid 39 Gen Lab born Aylesbury

Edward Hall son 10 born Dublin Ireland

Jane Hall dau 6 born War Birmingham

CATHERINE HALL  dau 4 born War Birmingham

George Thomas Hall son 3 born War Birmingham

Edward Hall grandfather 69 shoe maker born Aylesbury

plus a housekeeper & her daughter.

I think this is Catherine in 1891

Great Kimble Bucks RG12-1142-80 page 4

Kate Hall 16 born Birmingham & in service to a George Darville & family.

As George's eldest son was born in Dublin I wonder if he was in a Regiment stationed in Ireland & then Birmingham.

I can't find Catherine in 1901 but I'll keep looking. Hopefully she will turn up somewhere.

Maddie