Baillies of Fraserburgh - William Kelman

[Xenasdad]

Gobbo,
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Xenasdad

[flst]

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[Isabel H]

I wonder if this inscription from Moulin Churchyard, Perthshire, relates to your Kelmans? I have a photo if it's of interest.

Erected by WILLIAM KELMAN in loving memory of his wife JANET MCINTOSH who died at Balnakeilly 8th May 1908 aged 68 years.  The above WILLIAM KELMAN landsteward died 20th Nov 1919 aged 82 years also their sons JAMES accountant Bombay died 3rd Nov 1919 aged 45 years
GEORGE bank agent Canada Captain 179th Cameron High. Lieutenant 16th Batt. Canadian Scottish died 8th Novr  1917 aged 33 years
ALEXANDER landsteward died at Greenock 29th January 1927* aged 48. 
*Engraved “aged 48” but overwritten 1927

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Isabel

Thank you for this very interesting information.  The names William, Janet, James, George and Alexander are used quite frequently among the descendants of Baillie Kelman.  However, it looks from the 1901 and 1851 census that the William Kelman, who died in Moulin aged 82 in 1919, was born in Gamrie, the son of George Kelman, a shoemaker also born in Gamrie but living in Pitsligo in 1851.  With not much evidence I think that Baillie William was the son of a William Kelman and Margaret Club, who moved about a bit between Pitsligo and Old Deer but as far as I know never got as far as Gamrie.  William Kelman, buried in Moulin is probably a cousin in some degree of Baillie William Kelman but I cannot at present see the exact connection.

Thank you very much for your interest in my problem.

All the best

Gobbo

[Geebung]

Hi Gobbo,

I am related to the Kelmans by marriage, and have copies of a lot of Kelman and Busby family correspondence and documents, together with medals won by Kelman wines from the C19, etc.  It appears that a nephew of William Dalrymple Kelman, a Patrick Dalrymple, also emigrated to Tasmania, but left under a financial cloud for New South Wales.  Does anyone know anything of this Patrick?  It is, by the way, certain that there was no dodgy business in Scotland; numerous letters from WDK to his mother, his parson, sister, and merchants while he was waiting in Edinburgh for the Triton to sail show an eminently respectable man.  I also have a cabin plan for the Triton, showing the accomodations for the passengers.  WDK was in the cabin next to Catherine Busby; he married her in St James' in Sydney after a lengthy courtship.

Cheers,

Geebung

[O1dgobbo]

Hi Geebung

Welcome to RootsChat.  We usually greet newcomers with a sentence or two offering to help their research but it looks as if you know a lot more about the Kelmans than I do.  Thank you very much for the information. I shall try to keep in touch.

I have no knowledge of Patrick Dalrymple.  If Dalrymple was his surname then I think he would be a cousin rather than a nephew of William Dalrymple Kelman.  The only nephews (and nieces) of W D Kelman that I have managed to trace were the children of his two sisters and had surname Chalmers or Crocker.  I have been told that the elder brother of W D Kelman, John Kelman was a surgeon in India but I have not managed to trace him so far and do not know what family he had.

All the best

Gobbo

[Windsor87]

Patrick Dalrymple was the nephew of Jean Dalrymple, wife of Baille William Kelman.

Patrick was born in Fraserburgh on 15th November 1801, and died in Launceston, Tasmania, on 31st January 1840. He was a Commissariat clerk in Launceston.
He was the son of John Dalrymple (1763-1840), shipbuilder in Fraserburgh, and probably Isobel Leslie.

With regards the Kelmans, I know that Jean Dalrymple, Mrs Kelman, died in Fraserburgh on 9th July 1864 aged 96 years. There is a gravestone for her in Kirkton Cemetery, Fraserburgh. I will check if there is any mention of William Kelman if this can be of use to anyone?

I am not related to the family, but am looking into the family for local history purposes. Captain John Dalrymple (1801-1881) gifted the Dalrymple Hall to Fraserburgh. He was a cousin of Patrick Dalrymple, and a nephew of Jean Dalrymple (Mrs Kelman) through her brother James Dalrymple, a (Wine) Merchant in Fraserburgh.

Windsor87

[Windsor87]

Monumental Inscription - Kirkton of Fraserburgh.

In memory of William Kelman, Bailie of Fraserburgh died March 1811 age 34, his spouse Jean Dalrymple died Fraserburgh 9th July 1864 age 96 years, their son John, surgeon H.E.I.C.S died Fraserburgh 21st October 1830 age 32, William Dalrymple died Kirktown Sydney May 1863 age 63.

[Chris_t]

You may also like to join the Fraserburgh list on Yahoo.

Fraserburgh Past & Present by John Cranna has several references to Baillie KELMAN.  His tenure is given as 1793 - 1811. This book has been digitized and you may be able to find it by searching online.

I am descended from an earlier Baillie, Alexander RITCHIE whose term in office is recorded as 1750- 1781.

Regards,

Christine

Hi

I am researching William Kelman, who was Baillie of Fraserburgh about 1800, and I was wondering if anybody has access to a list of Baillies and dates of office covering William's tenure.