Whites of Newtonstewart

[Carol Mack]

I need a bit of advice please!!

I'm interested in getting birth certificates for Martha and Ellen White, born Newtonstewart ( born c.1846 & 1848) I know that this is the parish of Ardstraw (C of I ) but how much more information will I need in order to send to PRONI for birth certs? The above is all the information I have, taken from the I.G.I.

Many thanks in advance!

Regards,
Carol

[aghadowey]

Unfortunately registration of births started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificates. For pre-registration dates you'll need to search for church records (if they exist).

Are the IGI records submitted or extracted?

[Carol Mack]

Thanks for replying so promptly! That is a pain - I had 1837 registration date in mind as in England.
The I.G.I. records are submitted. I had a look in the Ancestral file but nothing doing there.

I have been doing the rounds with these two for a while now but recently I found what I am certain is Martha's marriage cert. in Donegal (to George Ellison) where she says her father is John White, not George as I had previously thought. The I.G.I. has a John white and Mary Hutchinson married in Ardstraw on 24th April 1846 and so could be the parents of Martha and Ellen. I think its definitely worth following. Ellen could be my grandmother whose origins I'm trying to find.

Regards,
Carol

[aghadowey]

All Irish marriage records are not in IGI so it's not wise to assume the 1846 Co. Tyrone bride and groom are the parents of Martha.
Civil registration of non-Catholic marriages in Ireland began in 1845. Martha's parents could have been married before that date (in which case you'd need to search for existing church records). Civil registration index is online but you need to search for bride and groom separately.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
There are actually 4 marriages for John White/Whyte in Co. Tyrone for 1840-1849 and 3 marriages under Donegal.

[kingskerswell]

Carol,
         Your John White/Mary Hutchinson marriage took place in Newtownstewart First Presbyterian Church and as you found it occurred on 24 Apr 1846.

Regards

[Carol Mack]

Many thanks for your help and for the words of caution!!!!

I searched the PRONI database and have found the reference for the Presbyterian Church records under Ardstraw but no C of I records under Ardstraw or Newtonstewart. So I guess I could send for the marriage certificate but will it tell me any more than the I.G.I entry? Do you think Martha and Ellens' baptism would have been C of I as the I.G.I entry says Newtonstewart and not Ardstraw?

I confess to being slightly confused!

Regards,
Carol

[kingskerswell]

Carol,
        In Ireland it is traditional for a protestant couple to marry in the bride's church and then to follow the religion of the husband. The information on an Irish marriage certificate will give the addresses of the bride and groom at the time of marriage which may not be their home address. It will also list their profession. It will further give the names and professions of the fathers.

Regards

[kingskerswell]

Carol,
        To order the certificate you will find that the form is not designed for ordering ancestors' certificates but I have done a check and found that the Registration District is STRABANE, the year is 1846, The VOLUME is 10 and the page is 373. If you supply this information with the names of the bride and groom you will get the certificate and the cost is half that of having a search done.

Regards

[Carol Mack]

Thankyou so much for that information, I will get on and order that certificate. It could be totally wrong but I have skirted around this for too long - I need to get some answers or at least start eliminating people!!

Regards
Carol