Whitby Death - Thomas Moon

[stroudie]

I am trying to trace the death of Thomas Moon but I am unable to find any reference to it.

He was born c 1828 in Whitby. He is in Church St in 1841 and 51 and his widow is there in 61. He is given as a shoemaker.

Can anyone help?

[Ecneps]

Hi Julie

I see the youngest son Charles was born in 1860 - do you have his birth cert to be certain Thomas was his father, just to narrow down his death date?  Only asking as there was a gap of 5 years from son Francis to Charles.  (and there is a lodger named Charles Grout !)

Have you ruled out this death in Guisborough district?  It's not too far from Whitby - depending on where Thomas actually died - you could ask the local registrar to check known details before buying the cert
Dec 1856 Guisborough    9d   273      MOON    Thomas    

Barbara     

[stroudie]

Hello Barbara

Thanks for your reply. Yes, this is exactly what I'm thinking. Charles Grout is my ancestor and I'm clearly suspicious that Charles Moon might be his son. Perhaps I need to get his birth cert

Thanks for the Guisborough suggestion about the Guisborough death. I will try and find out more.

Julie

[Ecneps]

Hi Julie,

Well I didn't want to cast any aspersions, but it has been known to happen many times!!

If Thomas was his father then his death must have been 1860-1 and I can't see it.  If not, then the earlier death could be his.

Is there a later marriage then between Mary Ann Moon and Charles Grout?


Contact details for Guisborough Register Office:

The Superintendent Registrar
The Register Office
88 Westgate
Guisborough
TS14 6AP

Tel: (01287) 632564
E-mail: registrars (at) redcar-cleveland.gov.uk

Barbara 

[stroudie]

Hi Barbara

Thanks for your very helpful reply. I will contact the Guisborough reg.

Regarding Mary Ann, herein lies a long story - you may wish you'd never asked!

Charles did eventually marry a Mary Ann, her name was given as Smith but she is untraceable. They married in 1869 by which time they had 3 children together, the first born Aug 1863 in Guisborough and Mary Ann had a son, Joseph Smith b c 1858.

Mary Ann Moon (nee Stonehouse) eventually becomes Mary Ann Readman, Charles Moon died 1863 and there appears to another child Dorothy Moon, b c 1862 (see below).

[quoteug 1863 author=DS link=topic=216079.msg1128737#msg1128737 date=1172402776]
....and there is more....

If we now skip forwards from 1861 we can find the following which serve as more compelling and corroborative evidence.

Death registration

1863 Whitby JFM quarter 9d 306

Charles Moon

This would explain why he cannot be found on any later census.

Probable marriage registration

1866 Whitby OND quarter 9d 802

Ellen Stonehouse
George Wootten

This is substantiated on the 1871 census with this entry

Whitby RG10/4847 Folio 77 Page 26

Here we find George Wotton and his wife Ellen and living with them is a Dorothy Moon aged 9 described as Sister (That raises a whole different question !). Although Ellen’s age is slightly out from the earlier entries it is almost certainly the same person. (If you also look at the 1881 census for her and George you find further evidence of the linkage to the 1861 family).

Probable marriage registration

1869 Whitby OND quarter 9d 802

Mary Ann Moon
Andrew Readman

This is also backed up in 1871 by the following

Whitby RG10/4847 Folio 69 Page 10

Andrew Readman with wife Mary A and two sons Matthew M Readman and Francis M Readman of the same age and birth place as on the 1861 census. I would guess that the M which has been added to their names is Moon. The birth place of Mary A is shown as Pickering here but in 1881 it is back as Liverton. They also have a Moon grandchild with them in 1881.

DS

In my attempts to find Mary Ann Smith, I am retracing things previously checked.

If you are still following!!.. Mary Ann Smith seems to have had some links with a Burnside family in Guisborough. I saw a Moon family near them on the 1861 and having exhausted all conventional routes and explanations, I wondered if there was any link, hence back to Thomas Moon! But still no clearer. Maybe Thomas Moon,s death cert will help.

Julie

[Ecneps]

Oh aren't you glad some of our ancestors led such interesting and tangled lives!  Stops you from losing interest.   I would certainly get Charles' birth cert if it were my family, although as it's not a direct line you can't always afford to get every cert.

Did the Mary Ann Smith marriage cert show her father's name and occupation?  Maybe I shouldn't ask, as you said 

I'm not sure whether you know this area, but the two birthplaces given for Mary Ann Stonehouse Moon are quite different, Liverton is nowhere near Pickering

[stroudie]

Yes, definitely a colourful life! I forgot to say that I have looked before and not found a birth registration for Charles Moon, sadly, as this may have been very helpful.

I grew up in Redcar, now in Gloucestershire. I think sometimes it depends who gives the census information.

I'm grateful to you for locating a possible death for Thomas and hoping I might glean something from the certificate.

Julie