William Thomas CUTHBERT born Ipswich

[Jacq]

I'd be very grateful to find a birth/baptism of William Thomas Cuthbert from Ipswich, allegedly born 13 March 1836. Family stories have it that he was made an orphan at an early age and brought up by an older brother.  I have been unable to identify him in the 1841 and 1851 censuses.

[LizzieW]

The only one I can find on Familysearch.org (nothing on FreeREG) born in 1836 is, unfortunately, a submitted record and only states born approx 1836 Hacheston, Suffolk.  The other 3 William Cuthberts were:

1. Baptised 18 May 1834 Letheringham, Suffolk, England, parents Thomas and Hannah Cuthbert.
2. Born 4 Aug 1834 - name William George so not the right person.
3. Baptised 19 Mar 1837 Union House, Cosford, Suffolk, England, mother Mary Cuthbert.

Do you have him on the 1861 or later census?  If so that may show his birthplace.  It seems Hacheston is near to Woodbridge/Framlingham area.

Lizzie

[Jacq]

Thanks very much for that, Lizzie.  I had found all those others, but it's so indefinite!  I found him on the 1861 census. He married Jane Mazella Hoare 25 Dec 1859 at Horton Kirkby in Kent.  The 1861 census (for Dartford, Kent) gives his birth as Ipswich.  He emigrated to New Zealand in 1865, so he's on no more censuses after 1861. 
Thanks again for your help.

[suffolk*sue]

Do you have the marriage cert and if so what does it give for Williams fathers name?

[Jacq]

No, I don't have the marriage cert. That was information someone passed on to me.

[suffolk*sue]

I think it would be best to get the marriage cert, hopefully showing fathers names and occupation, to be sure you are tracking the right family.

William Thomas Cuthbert
Jane Angella Hoare

1859
Dec  qtr.
Dartford
Kent
Vol. 2a
Page: 399

[suffolk*sue]

You are so in luck, in one way, the good news is, is that Horton Kirby parish registers are online at City Ark

http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/

Click on parish registers down the side and then scroll down to Horton Kirby. The Cuthbert marriage is on image 25.
The bad news is the space for Williams father is blank.


Do New Zealand death certs provide parental details? if so maybe you could go down that route.

[Jacq]

Thanks, Sue. Yes it does look like I may have to get his marriage or death cert.  The name Angella was a mistranscription, she was actually Jane Mazella.
NZ death certs are absolutely wonderful. They not only name the date, place and cause of death, as British ones do, but also the name of parents, maiden name of mother, occupation of father, when and where buried, where born and how long they have lived in NZ, when married, age at marriage, to whom married, age of widow, number of children still living and their gender and ages!
So I think I might send for his death certificate!

[Mystic Manaia]

Hi,    I am the Great Great Granddaughter of William Thomas Cuthbert.  I have the marriage certificate to Jane and his death certificate .  He was 23 years old when he married Jane Mazella Hoare on 25 Dec. 1859 at Horton Kirby, Kent.  His occupation was Bricklayer and his father's name is shown as Cuthbert, Christian name unknown.  So that doesn't help much!  I have quite a bit of information on him and Jane and their family in NZ and also a copy of a photo of William.
That was interesting to hear that you heard he was an orphan as the only possible person I could find in the census for him in 1841 was at Cosford Union House in Suffolk and his age is shown as 7 instead of the 5 year old he should be, but I am wondering whether his age was increased so that he could stay at the workhouse with his older brother James, (9), as they were kept separately from age 7 and up.  There is also a Mary Ann Cuthbert aged 15 at the workhouse. 
On the 1851 census I found a William Cuthbert aged 16  b. 1834-35 in Ipswich with father Charles and mother Catherine, Charles was a Slater and William was an assistant Slater, but I don't think this is him as he would know the name of his father when he lived at home aged 16.
He moved around a lot with bricklaying and apparently made bridges. 
How are you connected to William Thomas Cuthbert?  I would be happy to share the info. I have.