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*** COMPLETE *** Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« on: Saturday 23 January 10 23:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi to the list

I also have a puzzle and hoping SKS may be able to shed some light or point me in a direction for an answer as I haven't had any success unravelling this myself yet.

My grandmother Sarah Elisabeth [nee Jones] WILLIAMS, was buried St Peter's Church Cockett, June 16th 1947. Grave 97A, Section SW.

Much to my amazement, I was advised there is a gent interred in the same grave and I have not yet been able to discover any family connection.

The gent is a David Samuel JONES [38] of Abercarni, Pentregethin Road, Swansea who was buried 6 days earlier on June the 6th 1947.

Other than the fact that my grandmother's maiden name was Jones, and this gent's name is also Jones, I haven't been able to discover any family connection yet so am wondering if anyone has any siggestions/thoughts on where to look to discover more about this gent and try to identify him/a link with my family.

I am attaching a newspaper clipping but it doesn't shed any light.....

Cheers....  Lynda
South Wales - main trunk family names - mam's side:-
Beard, Crandon, Clement, Lawrence, Langdon, Cartwright, Griffiths, Housego, Llewellyn, Stevens, Thomas. 

Father's side:
Williams, Rosser, Griffiths, Jones, Thomas, Llewellyn, Charles, Davies, Phillips, Powell

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Re: Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 January 10 23:51 GMT (UK) »
Contact the cemetary office for confirmation of grave plot, my g/gran was shown on a receipt as being in one grave, but on visiting grave she certainly was not there, spoke to the office & they told exactly where she was, nowhere near the other grave & with no marker, so my original journey would have been just a useless even if she had been there!!
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Re: Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 January 10 23:53 GMT (UK) »
Two possible births - neither in Glamorgan

Births December qtr 1908  
 
David Samuel Jones   Bedwelty  11a 96    

Births March qtr  1909
 
David Samuel Jones    Aberayron  11b 32

A copy of his death cert may give a clue but no guarantees

Where and when was Sarah born?
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Re: Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 January 10 03:01 GMT (UK) »
thanks for such quick responses - I guess RootsChat really is a 'city that does not sleep'! :-)

Plummiegirl -- I live in NZ so if you by some chance have an email contact for the Registrar at the cemetary, I could email them to ask for a double check of the details and see where that gets me.

Carol - thanks for the two options -- I'll follow up on those and see if I can find anything. I'm actually struggling for exact date of when Gran was born so that I can order birth cert for her and confirm her mother's name.

Although I have her death cert, that narrows the year of birth but there are so many with similar names that I still can't be sure which one to order, especially as I am not 100% certain of her mam's maiden name   - with the NZ exchange rate the way it is, I'm loathe to splash out unless I can be a bit more certain which one she is.   It is likely to be around 1910/1911 and in the Burry Port area.

South Wales - main trunk family names - mam's side:-
Beard, Crandon, Clement, Lawrence, Langdon, Cartwright, Griffiths, Housego, Llewellyn, Stevens, Thomas. 

Father's side:
Williams, Rosser, Griffiths, Jones, Thomas, Llewellyn, Charles, Davies, Phillips, Powell


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Re: Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 January 10 10:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lynda,

If you want to check, this website has a "Contact us" bit. As you know I was with Dave when he looked on the computer for this grave and I don't think it's an error, but you never know.

http://www.cockettparish.org.uk/stpeterschurch.htm

Bev.
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 January 10 11:03 GMT (UK) »
Do you have Sarah with her family on the 1911 census? The number of years married may help you work out her parents' marriage unless their first names are also really common.

The only birth registration for a Sarah E Jones around the right time and in the right district for Burry Port looks to be
Sarah Enid E Jones march qtr 1909 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1287

There are no plain Sarahs without middle initial

You could ask the registrar if the father on this birth record matches the father's name on the marriage cert you have

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The volume and page number won't mean anything to the registrar but you can tie it down to the 3 months of the quarter.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 January 10 11:29 GMT (UK) »
If Sarah's parents were Charles and Sarah Jane, then in the 1911 census she was 1 month old and was the only child at the home with her parents. Dad was a dock labourer and they had been married for 4 years, living at 28 Watkin Street, Swansea.

 ??? the right one?
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Re: Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 24 January 10 13:03 GMT (UK) »
I have just re-read your 1st email, now I am wondering if this was a public grave?
They are usually very large & deep.  X amount of people buried 1 day, these coffins covered over with about 1 foot of earth ready for the next lot!!
This could explain the 10 days difference.
Am off now to see if I can find some info on the church, will be back later today or tomorrow (if I can find a phone number for the church will give them a call, if you don't ask you don't get.  I have the cheek of the devil!!)
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Re: Shared Grave - JONES at Cockett.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 24 January 10 13:20 GMT (UK) »
St Peters Church
       59 Station Road
       Cockett
       Swansea
       West Glamorgan
       SA5 5AU

 Tel; 01792 581514
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