WILABER/WILABOR/WILABAR/WILDBORE/WILBER

[Glenpenny]

My 4x g.grandparents John Wilaber and Mary Allen married at Farcet on 29 October 1810 (from the IGI, not a submission).  The variations in this surname (not all given above) make it difficult to research.  Their first three known children were baptised at Farcet and the younger ones at St Ives.

Is anyone else researching this name or can anyone suggest the best way to gain more information?

[bedfordshire boy]

The marriage to which you refer is odd as it doesn't give any source or batch number nor does it say that it's an extracted item or a member submission. I started to get a bit worried when I found it's not in the Hunts Marriage Index under Allen, but then I found it under Wildbore + variations. It's in the BVRI as well on 29 Oct 1810. Both were otp.

What exactly are you looking for? Baptisms, parents, censuses? It sounds as though you already know a fair bit about the family

David

[Glenpenny]

Thank you for the reply David.

The marriage of John WILEBOR is definitely an extraction - Batch No. M168591.

I have found (so far) six children, again all from extractions.

Eleanor WILDBORE 1812   Batch 8601780   Farcet, Hunts
Mary WILABER 1820           Batch C065801      "         "
Rhoda WILDBOAR 1826         "             "           "         "
Elizabeth WILEBER 1822        "            "           "         "
Harriet  WILBOR 1813         Batch 8526131      "         "
Isaac WILBOR    1816             "            "           "         "

Mary WILABER, Rhoda Allen WILABAR and Elizabeth WILABER also appear on Batch 7410605 for St Ives, Huntingdon, which I don't understand.

I'm meeting myself coming back with all these name variations which is why I asked if anyone else was researching this family.

[bedfordshire boy]

I would ignore the member submissions which include St Ives. They demonstrate why they can't be relied on. Batch # C065801 isn't Farcet, but the Independent Church at Yaxley, although they may well have lived at Farcet.  What's curious though is that her birth was also registered at the Baptist Church at Spaldwick - batch C065811 - and Spaldwick is 15 miles from Farcet

I can see the marriage now, but Mary Allen doesn't appear in batch M168591, although John Wilbor does. I imagine that the IGI entry for Mary Allen that I found which shows no batch number or source got mangled somehow, and something similar has happened on Hunts Marriage Index.

These non-conformists are always difficult.

There's a burial at Farcet of Mary Wilbor age 35 on 4 Mar 1827

David

[Glenpenny]

So, let me get this straight.

I have Elizabeth's and Rhoda's births registered  at the Baptist Church, Spaldwick but both christened at the Yaxley Independent as well as at St Ives Independent Church. 

Elizabeth at St Ives on 22 December 1822 and on the same day at Yaxley.
Rhoda at St Ives on 26 February 1826 and on the same day at St Ives.

All these IGI records have batch numbers though they also say member submissions, which might account for the fact that Rhoda appears to have been born 10 days later and obtained a middle name at St Ives.

Is it usual for an IGI record to say it is a member's submission even though the record has a batch number?  I've not noticed this before.

Would either Independent Church be the “parent” church and therefore the records duplicated for some reason?  Mary would appear to have been baptised on the 4th August 1820 but again at St. Ives two days later!

Eleanor, Harriet and Isaac were baptised at St Mary's, Farcet earlier than the rest, so presumably the family switched to non-conformist before the birth of Mary in 1820.

Thank you for your input on all this David.  It really is much appreciated.  I think I need to find out more about non-conformists.

Glenys

[bedfordshire boy]

I think that just about all IGI entries have batch numbers. It's just that some batches can be relied on and some can't. Batches that start with C, M, J, K, P, and I are considered to be OK (although I is a bit dubious as the source isn't given). The rest, A and those without a letter, are all member submissions and are as good as the research that went into them (or didn't as the case may be).

Which is why I say ignore the St Ives entries, which are member submissions.

What struck me as particularly odd is that baptists didn't/don't believe in infant baptism, yet Rhoda was baptised at Yaxley Independent church, but both entries are extracted from church books. I can't explain it.

Regards

David

[Glenpenny]

All these years and I never realised that those IGI entries with batch numbers weren't all extracted from the registers.   Mind you, I have always tried to verify information myself as I know for a fact that some submissions for some of my surnames are definitely incorrect.

I didn't realise that baptists don't believe in infant baptism, though now I think about it all the images I have in my brain are of adults being dipped!  Like I said, definitely more non-conformist research needed.

Thanks David.

Glenys

[bedfordshire boy]

Some of my ancestors were from Southill, Beds, where they attended the baptist church. Adult baptisms took place in the River Ivel. I bet winter baptisms weren't too popular. I'd have been a fair weather baptist!

David