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FreeBMD Indexes Help
« on: Tuesday 26 January 10 10:24 GMT (UK) »
In the 1861 Census I have Thomas H Fletcher b. abt 1852 Benniworth. In FreeBMD I have found 2 closest matches. Mar 1851 FLETCHER Thomas Elijah and Jun 1851 FLETCHER Thomas  both these in the Louth District. My search range was Mar 1850 to Dec 1853.
Does the index always have the full name of the person? If it does then my ancestor could be Thomas Elijah with a possible transcript error by the Enumerator.
I prefer to order one Cert than two especially if we can definitely rule one out.
BELL - Nottingham
FISHER – Hinckley Leics
FLETCHER – Louth (District), Lincolnshire
HALLETT - Grimsby Lincs
MINKLEY - Notts & Leics

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Re: FreeBMD Indexes Help
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 10:34 GMT (UK) »
Have you found 'yuor' Thomas in other censues, or a marriage or any other record to find any other clues about his middle name?
Have you found the 'other' Thomas births on any other records to rule them out as definitely being a different person?

If you look at 1861 census I see at a glance at least one other Thomas Fletcher bn 1852, Louth (living with grandparents) so there is at least one other around.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: FreeBMD Indexes Help
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 10:47 GMT (UK) »
1861 (the one you have I assume)
RG9 2390 52 5  Waltham
Thomas 57 Farmer
Martha 30
Thomas H 9 bn Benniworth
Eliza A 3 bn Waltham
John W 1 bn waltham
Joseph 12 nephew
+ servant

1851
HO107 2113 334 17
Fletchers Farm, all Saints
Thomas 48 unm Farmer bn Benniworh
MAry mother 74 widw bn Irby
MArtha Greenfield 19 farm servant bn Benniworth
Edward Fletcher visitor 32  bn Donnington
Christopher Brumfield visitor 14
Ann Brunfield visitor 43

I wonder if it is this Martha that Thomas married?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: FreeBMD Indexes Help
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Aha - Benniworth is not in Louth Reg Distr, it is in Horncastle.

I wouldnt be at all surprised if this isnt the birth of the Thomas on th e1861 census -

Jan/Feb/Mar 1852
Thomas Henry Greenfield
Horncastle 7a 473

looks like born before they married - but need to check out themarriage as that was only a hunch with no evidence
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: FreeBMD Indexes Help
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 10:56 GMT (UK) »
Marriage
Ap/May/Jun 1859
Louth
Martha Greenfield
one of grooms on same page - Thomas Fletcher.

Looking like it is all tying up, but certs would confrim.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: FreeBMD Indexes Help
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone. Benniworth in Horncastle well that helps.
Thomas was 60 when he married his 20 year old servant Martha Greenfield it looks as if this took place after Mary Fletcher nee Marshall passed away. She probable did not approve of Thomas getting married to the servant or getting married at all.
It is interesting that a similar event took place in the next generation. John William did not marry whilst Martha was still alive. Anyway I will make some individual comments on the well received answers that I have got.
BELL - Nottingham
FISHER – Hinckley Leics
FLETCHER – Louth (District), Lincolnshire
HALLETT - Grimsby Lincs
MINKLEY - Notts & Leics

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Re: FreeBMD Indexes Help
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 11:34 GMT (UK) »
1861 (the one you have I assume)
RG9 2390 52 5  Waltham
Thomas 57 Farmer
Martha 30
Thomas H 9 bn Benniworth
Eliza A 3 bn Waltham
John W 1 bn waltham
Joseph 12 nephew
+ servant

1851
HO107 2113 334 17
Fletchers Farm, all Saints
Thomas 48 unm Farmer bn Benniworh
MAry mother 74 widw bn Irby
MArtha Greenfield 19 farm servant bn Benniworth
Edward Fletcher visitor 32  bn Donnington
Christopher Brumfield visitor 14
Ann Brunfield visitor 43

I wonder if it is this Martha that Thomas married?

Yes it is very certain of this it follows through.
BELL - Nottingham
FISHER – Hinckley Leics
FLETCHER – Louth (District), Lincolnshire
HALLETT - Grimsby Lincs
MINKLEY - Notts & Leics

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Aha - Benniworth is not in Louth Reg Distr, it is in Horncastle.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if this isn't the birth of the Thomas on th e1861 census -

Jan/Feb/Mar 1852
Thomas Henry Greenfield
Horncastle 7a 473

looks like born before they married - but need to check out the marriage as that was only a hunch with no evidence
This could explain a lot. I could not pick Thomas up again on a Census again I looked for a death between 1851 and 1861 nothing. This could also tie in with other things concerning Martha.
I will come back on this after I have looked into things.
BELL - Nottingham
FISHER – Hinckley Leics
FLETCHER – Louth (District), Lincolnshire
HALLETT - Grimsby Lincs
MINKLEY - Notts & Leics

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Re: FreeBMD Indexes Help
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 January 10 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Following on from what you have said I have had a close look at  Eliza. I have found an Eliza Ann Greenfield, Caistor that covers Waltham I checked this time. Sep Qtr 1857 again born before marriage In the same Qtr there was an Eliza Fletcher born in Caistor.
Everything surrounding Martha is a mystery or appears to be.
My Grandfather was John William Fletcher he was the only one left on the farm 1901 Census. Martha listed as Head and Employer. John W as a Worker. It seems Martha passed away in 1904 and John W married in 1905. That's what I meant about the generations repeating themselves. 1911 Census has John W working on a farm in Scartho. So what happened to the farm?
The next mystery is that my father George W, His brother Robert A, and sister Nellie M. Have never spoke of there being any Uncles or Aunts from their fathers side of the family but spoke of uncles on mothers side. They are all passed on now so I can't go and ask them.
I am hoping to find some answers when I visit the UK later this year.
Any further comments on this will be most welcome
Robert G Fletcher
BELL - Nottingham
FISHER – Hinckley Leics
FLETCHER – Louth (District), Lincolnshire
HALLETT - Grimsby Lincs
MINKLEY - Notts & Leics