Lookup for Doyle of Cashel, Tipperary

[mfb1025]

I would appreciate any look up for a record of death for John Doyle born in Feb 1834 Boherclough, Cashel, Tipperary.
Son of Matthew Doyle and Catherine Burke.
Married in Knockavilla in 1855 to Johanna Judith Withero. 
His last child Johanna was born in Sept 1875, William St, Cashel. 
Records indicate he passed before 1888.
Any information on any of these people or photo's of memorials would be very much appreciated.
Thank you in advance,
Maureen

[aghadowey]

Index to civil registrations is online (free) and you can search for a death registration there-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347

[mfb1025]

Thank you for your suggestions, I have tried there, but nothing seems to match well. I appreciate the help.
Best
Maureen

[Oaks and Acorns]

Closest matches I can see are:

Name: Johanna Doyle
Registration district: Cashel
Record type: BIRTHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1876
Volume: 3
Page: 484

and

Name: John Doyle
Registration district: Cashel
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: 1876
Estimated birth year: 1831
Age: 45
Volume: 18
Page: 314

Without knowing the source of your research, how reliable is your dating evidence?

Dara.

[mfb1025]

I got his baptism date and that of his children from TFHR. His son's Richard's military record in 1888 lists his mother Johanna and younger brother William as nearest of kin, and Richard's marriage cert. in 1892 states that John is deceased.  The family was in Waterford in 1888 according to the military record, and later, the 1911 census. My GGrandmother, Catherine was married in Waterford in 1883.
My thinking was that they moved to Waterford sometime after John's death.   

I'm going to order the records you sent, because, as we all know you can't discount anything based on the estimated birth year. Thank you  for your time and help.
Best, Maureen

[Oaks and Acorns]

Hi Maureen,

With due respects to TFHF, and apologies to all if I have this wrong, but the service they offer is
"based on access to the Baptismal and Marriage records of the Catholic Church in the Archdiocese of Cashel & Emly".

The Johanna Doyle b.1876 is almost certainly not the same Johanna b.Sept 1875 unless the TFHR record is mis-transcribed.

The BRS site lists a Civil Birth for Johanna b. 1876. As BRS don't have access to Cashel & Emly Church Records the fact they list the Civil Birth is a possible indication that she was in the C&E Archdiocese.

Personally, when consulting Church Records I prefer to go to the NLI which has the added bonus of giving free access but I realise this is not an option for everyone, especially those living outside Ireland.

Regarding John, is there an indication of whether he was still alive on the 1883 Marriage Cert? There is a death in Waterford that might indicate the family moved there before John's death:

Name: John Doyle
Registration district: Youghal
Record type: DEATHS
Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1884
Estimated birth year: 1834
Age: 50
Volume: 4
Page: 605

As an aside, the OSI map at
http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,607375,640394,6
shows Boherclogh at the time you are researching. (Select Historic view).

Dara.

[mfb1025]

Hi Dara,
I live in Massachusetts, USA and don't have access to NLI. Hope to come over some day and visit there.
As of yet I have found no record at all for my g grandmothers marriage, only their son's birth -( I have ordered but not seen that film) and until recently thought only her husband George Robinson ( my brickwall ) was in Waterford. It is entirely possible that the family moved to Waterford before John died.
I have difficulty with the location information, ie: what is a town? parish? district? On the military record it said Johanna lived in Johnston, Waterford ? On the 1911 census they are at house number 7 in Well Lane (Waterford No. 3 Urban, Waterford) 
I will order the film on that record you sent - it looks very possible.
Thank you for your help.
Maureen

[mfb1025]

Oh.......Is that Waterford death record from LDS ? or where would I find it?

[aghadowey]

The Waterford death mentioned in earlier post is from civil registration index on LDS Pilot site. With the details given you can order the actual death certificate.
See here for death certificate details- www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html
See here for ordering certificates- www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0/topicseen.html

Ireland is made up of townlands, a group of townlands form a (civil) parish, parishes form a county and then counties form a province. Years ago a townland would have been a persons' 'address' (only in cities of towns would you find a street name).
Registration District referes to civil registration (births, marriages, deaths) and is almost always the same as the Poor Law Union.
See www.thecore.com/seanruad to find townlands, parishes, PLU, etc. in Ireland (be sure to change default setting from 'exact match' to search for part of a word).